View Poll Results: What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

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  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    6 8.82%
  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    4 5.88%
  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    2 2.94%
  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    3 4.41%
  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    22 32.35%
  • A huge $$ fine

    15 22.06%
  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    3 4.41%
  • Jail time

    3 4.41%
  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    7 10.29%
  • Suspend driver's license for years.

    3 4.41%
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Thread: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I once passed a cop south of Albuquerque going "P". The needle on my speedometer had passed the limit and was facing the bottom where it said MPH. He never moved off the median.
    Maybe this is the best law enforcement response.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So the Nissan GTR is over twice the price of the Challenger. With the over 50K difference in price, it would be very easy to spend say 10k for a twin turbo and the nissan will never get near it. A 7 psi supercharger adds over 160 hp, witch pushes it much higher than the GTR. Again, less than 10K.

    A fairer comparison cost wise would be a Corvette ZR1, witch, depending on source runs either a 11.0 or a 10.89 1/4 mile and has been tested on skid pad up to 1.13g while a stock GRT is at 1.01 (nissan claims 1.12 but testing elsewhere doesn't get close to that).

    The only real advantage of the GTR is all-wheel-drive.

    In the end, "there ain't no replacement for displacement"

    The big "con" manufacturers are pulling is always speaking of "horsepower" of their cars, which for new cars just keeps going up, up, up. Sounds impressive. But there are a few things they aren't telling you.
    1. That is motor horsepower.
    2. That is with the computer set in "dyno mode," not how it is set up to drive. The computer is limiting horsepower and torque.
    3. Most significantly, they don't breathe a word about "torque." Horsepower certainly is about all that matters in a 950 pound F1 race car with the aerodynamics of a jet fighter. But for 3000+ pound street cars it is TORQUE.

    Back in the muscle car era, sometimes tests were done such as the L68 high torque, lower horsepower GM 427 versus the high rpm L88. For heavier cars, the L68 was faster.

    It takes TORQUE to move weight. While maximum dyno horsepower of cars is going up rapidly, that is only if computer limitations are turned off and does not account for the lower torque of smaller motors.

    Big displacement motors have one inherent advantage - they make more torque. It is torque that moves weight.

    The advantage of "pony cars" (Challenger, Mustang, Camero) is those basic motors have been built for years and years and by the millions. The same for a Vette motor of course. They also are relatively "crude" designs easy to modify with a layout suited for it. Accordingly, there are the most performance modification parts and at the lowest prices for them. American made V8s always win the benefits-for-the-dollar performance upgrading contest.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Eh, when you're dealing with the level of power need to get trap speeds in the 150mph range, some pretty knarrly, scary **** can happen...quickly. My friends rustang was well set up by both of us, and another friend who built drag cars for a living. And that thing was a handful, and always will be. I've also driven a ZR1, to be more on topic, and that car is hell on wheels, if you try to go fast in it. It requires complete focus and concentration, 100% of the time, or the rear comes out on you.
    Yeeeaaa, I delt with that kind of power for 20 years in a Pro Street Monte SS and never got close to the wall.
    But it was pro built chassis using all Chassis Engineering products. Tuned the suspension for track conditions every night at the track. Never just unloaded and started making passes.
    I also know guys that "build race cars" for a living that I wouldnt let change the spark plugs in my mower. In fact the only person I knew up in that area that I would trust was Leo Barnaby. But he died couple years ago. I think his brother is still building cars.
    I hear all the time on Yellow Bullet about guys that send their cars to "chassis jail" and a year later get back junk that needs to be all cut out and redone.
    Cars that cant pass inspection, welds that dont go all the way around the tubing, sub standard steel, cars that were built on ply wood and cinder blocks.
    Mine was built on a frame jig. I was there for every step and because the shop owner is a friend of mine, I was elbow deep in it every inch of the way.
    I would never just drop a car off and say call me when its done. Those are the guys that get cars that dont go straight, wont hook and dont know how to adjust their suspensions at the track.
    Not bashing your buddy, but wrecking your car twice tells me there is some serious driver error going on in thier driver skill or builder skill.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are many, many areas where open, divided highway is common. There are NO "closed courses" that allow a production car as-is to drive at such speeds.

    One reason I posted to poll is to explore just how much American culture has changed toward radical control, intense fear, an endless demand for more severe punishments, and endlessly filling more prison cells. Your "OMG!!! Going over 100?!!!!" is an example. A ZR1 can more safely go 120 than most small SUVs can go 70. ZR1s don't roll over if they have a blowout at 120, since they have run-flat tires.

    In the situation I gave, the only person endangered was the driver.

    Do you think if a person is caught driving while high on pot or drunk the person should never be allowed to drive again, car seized and jail time? That does definitely endangers others.
    A study is needed..
    Punishment must be effective.
    I do not think brutality and extremism are effective.
    I have few qualms with stretching the law.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yeeeaaa, I delt with that kind of power for 20 years in a Pro Street Monte SS and never got close to the wall.
    But it was pro built chassis using all Chassis Engineering products. Tuned the suspension for track conditions every night at the track. Never just unloaded and started making passes.
    I also know guys that "build race cars" for a living that I wouldnt let change the spark plugs in my mower. In fact the only person I knew up in that area that I would trust was Leo Barnaby. But he died couple years ago. I think his brother is still building cars.
    I hear all the time on Yellow Bullet about guys that send their cars to "chassis jail" and a year later get back junk that needs to be all cut out and redone.
    Cars that cant pass inspection, welds that dont go all the way around the tubing, sub standard steel, cars that were built on ply wood and cinder blocks.
    Mine was built on a frame jig. I was there for every step and because the shop owner is a friend of mine, I was elbow deep in it every inch of the way.
    I would never just drop a car off and say call me when its done. Those are the guys that get cars that dont go straight, wont hook and dont know how to adjust their suspensions at the track.
    Not bashing your buddy, but wrecking your car twice tells me there is some serious driver error going on in thier driver skill or builder skill.
    I've never wrecked a car at the track. I'm just saying that some weird things can happen once you introduce more power and traction to any given car equation.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Eh, when you're dealing with the level of power need to get trap speeds in the 150mph range, some pretty knarrly, scary **** can happen...quickly. My friends rustang was well set up by both of us, and another friend who built drag cars for a living. And that thing was a handful, and always will be. I've also driven a ZR1, to be more on topic, and that car is hell on wheels, if you try to go fast in it. It requires complete focus and concentration, 100% of the time, or the rear comes out on you.
    The ZR1 is a very fast car. It is "primitive" in terms of suspension, handling compared to state-of-the-art, but for the price (particularly used), they are an exceptionally good deal. And I don't like Vettes. I can't deny their bang-for-the-buck and low cost ease of performance upgrading.

    However, for Vettes the real BANG FOR THE BUCK deal is used late model Z06s.
    Last edited by joko104; 10-21-13 at 11:44 AM.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I've never wrecked a car at the track. I'm just saying that some weird things can happen once you introduce more power and traction to any given car equation.
    Nor do you know what may have been dumped down the track by another car when you start getting into the 9 second range. Particularly IF the car is set up solely for drag racing (meaning not road course too). They get in trouble REAL QUICK when there is a sudden"handling demand" where are road course capable car wouldn't. Also, that the g-force of acceleration does affect the mind, plus a lot of weight can be off the front wheels affecting steering.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So the Nissan GTR is over twice the price of the Challenger. With the over 50K difference in price, it would be very easy to spend say 10k for a twin turbo and the nissan will never get near it. A 7 psi supercharger adds over 160 hp, witch pushes it much higher than the GTR. Again, less than 10K.

    A fairer comparison cost wise would be a Corvette ZR1, witch, depending on source runs either a 11.0 or a 10.89 1/4 mile and has been tested on skid pad up to 1.13g while a stock GRT is at 1.01 (nissan claims 1.12 but testing elsewhere doesn't get close to that).

    The only real advantage of the GTR is all-wheel-drive.

    In the end, "there ain't no replacement for displacement"
    It would take buckets of money to get a challenger up to GTR speed around road circuits, which is what the GTR is designed for. Even the ZR1, which, technically, in the hands of a PRO driver, is faster than the GTR, is not "real world faster". It's only faster on perfect Tarmac, with a great driver at the helm. Normal guys, even moderately skilled guys, which I consider myself to be, have their hands full with the ZR1. I drove that car 10 laps round Lime Rock, and I was fighting for controlled exit speed. I have no doubt that after 10 laps in the GTR, I would consistently post quicker lap times. Mahican is amazing. The GTR is a whale. And makes less power. On paper, it's not even in the same league as the ZR1. But that's the huge advantage of a great AWD system. Me? I still prefer RWD. Probably always will. But the GTR is a glimpse of the future, and that future is AWD.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The ZR1 is a very fast car. It is "primitive" in terms of suspension, handling compared to state-of-the-art, but for the price (particularly used), they are an exceptionally good deal. And I don't like Vettes. I can't deny their bang-for-the-buck and low cost ease of performance upgrading.

    However, for Vettes the real BANG FOR THE BUCK deal is used late model Z06s.
    Primitive or not, I'll take starting at 1.13 g lateral anyday.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I've never wrecked a car at the track. I'm just saying that some weird things can happen once you introduce more power and traction to any given car equation.
    You know how most guys end up in the wall?
    The car gets loose and they lift, the suspension unloads, but they nail the throttle thinking "hey its straightend up" break the tires loose rear wants to come around, they correct and the front gets pushed into the wall.
    Aborting a run must become second nature in drag racing if something goes wrong. I have seen very few guys able to pedal a car just right to keep it going.

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