Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.
Severe chastizing but only written warning.
A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.
Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph
Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph
A huge $$ fine
Permanently seize car and forfeture it.
Suspend driver's license for 1 year
Suspend driver's license for years.
No, my theory is that someone traveling at 170 miles/hour on public roads, without warning lights, is not something people normally consider when driving on them.Your "theory" is that drivers can't see open land, but rock climbers always are looking downward to see if anyone is below them on the ground?
hence, it's not part of the assumed risk. This is in contrast to rock climbing where a standard piece of gear is a helmet and various safety precautions to prevent people from falling
In the OP hypothetical, the only thing the driver likely wanted to do was drive super fast in what s/he saw as a situation endangering no one for the pleasure in doing so. The Italian slogan is "the seduction of speed" for fast driving. Trying to elude the police is another matter entirely.
If any of you make your driving habit driving the MINIMUM legal speed limit rather than the maximum even when no time needs to get somewhere, then tell me that going fast isn't attractive to you.
The minimal Interstate speed is 45. That would be THE safest legal speed to drive on an empty highway. Who drive as SLOW as you safely and legally can? If not, many messages of this thread REEKS of hypocrisy.
Last edited by joko104; 10-20-13 at 04:52 PM.
Our prisons and jails are overburdened already and you suggest that we should add to their number for a first time offense. And BTW if it is a felony it would most likely be more than a year punishment since by definition a felony requires more than a year sentence.Convicted violators should:
(1) Spend at least a year in jail.
The vehicle that was used can be impounded but not the vehicles that were not used in the offense. And the law cannot assume that if the accused/convicted would violate any suspension on his license. The person could after all have a friend drive him in his car so it also not that the cars could not be of any use to him.(2) Have all their motor vehicles permanently confiscated.
This is extreme since the OP doesn't have a history of the driver and I can assume that this is a first time offense, she cooperated by pulling over immediately after she knew she was caught. A suspension would be reasonable but not a lifetime ban. A draconian penalty for an offense that does not involve harm to people or damage to property (actual harm) is likely to ratchet down on what is required to receive such a penalty, since there is no quantifiable standards that the penalty is weighed against.(3) Never be allowed to drive again.
This then would violate the equal protection clause as well as the excessive fines clause. Fines of this extent are almost certain to establish an Authoritarian Rule over the people by the government. Most people who are not wealthy and even many of the wealthy would not be able to afford such a fine and this can be used as a means of control over them to whatever the State would allow itself. This means giving the people who run the State would be granted enormous power than has been granted to the State so far.(4) Pay a big fine. The idea of of tailoring the fine to the violator's income sounds good to me-- make it at least a year's worth.
I see that you list yourself as Conservative. Perhaps a reevaluation of your lean should be made since this does not seem like anything a conservative would be for.
Last edited by Shadow Serious; 10-20-13 at 04:54 PM. Reason: added end quote to part of origianl post
An Enlightened Master is ideal only if your goal is to become a Benighted Slave. -- Robert Anton Wilson
Skydivers endanger people too. They have limited control who they might land on. Something might slip out of their hands, just like a rock climber could drop a pick and it lands on some non-rock climber below. There is no assumed risk when you are outdoors that someone will fall on you from the sky or drop something from the sky accidentally that hits you.
U.S. Census Bureau: Motor Vehicle Accidents—Number and Deaths: 1990 to 2009
Accident numbers have not fluctuated greatly for several years, which means they have declined per mile driven. Number of deaths were lowest for decades in 2009, about 10% less per mile driven than the next best year.
According to the following site the number of fatal accidents increased from ~30,000 in 2009 to ~32,000 in 2010, remained ~32,000 in 2011, then plummeted to ~26,000 in 2012. Also, speed is cited as a factor in 31% of fatal accidents, while distraction is cited in only 16%, and keep in mind cell phones are only one of many forms of distraction.
Car Crash Fatality Statistics
Of course cell phone use has been rising steadily for years. Therefore there is NO basis in the data for considering cell phones to be a more serious driving hazard than speed.
Furthermore, nowhere near as many drivers go 100 mph over the limit as use a cell phone while driving. No one in his right mind could possibly prefer 10s of millions of 120 mph-plus drivers a day to 10s of millions of cell phone users.
Last edited by Rocketman; 10-20-13 at 05:04 PM.
Of course, you are presuming that taking away the license and car stops the person from driving, just like presuming taking away someone's drugs will stop them for using drugs.
Most people whose license are suspended do not stop driving. If the person wealthy, he'd just get another car. If not, he'd just let the ZR1 be re-possessed and finance another car before it was. It likely will be fast, but may not be as well built for it or in as good of condition.
A more likely reality to your goal of teaching the person the illegally of doing what he likes is that next time he doesn't stop from the police. Losing his license could cost him many times more than the ZR1, that he's paying for but doesn't have. He definitely learned his lesson to not stop for the police more than anything else.
And that time then there is a 180 mph chase. Those tend to not end well for anyone, particularly others, though a lot of patrol officers in pursuit cruisers live for them. If a fleeing car broadsides an innocent car in an intersection, generally those in the broadsided car do worse. Front engined cars do better for those inside in a frontal impact than being being broadsided. Then you REALLY have reason to imprison the person. SUCCESS!
The problem with government control freaks - in and out of government - is they actually believe everyone will let the government control and constrain them in any and every way. Rather, it makes many people see the law, law enforcement, the court system and the government as the enemy of their life - and that actually might be accurate too as the number of local, county, state and federal laws and regulations continues to grow a million pages a day with ever more reasons to condemn people doing what they want or being less than perfect and perfectly submissive sheep.
And then if it goes badly because the government can't yet put mind-control in people (though would like to), even if innocent people are harmed or die as a result - they justify it anyway blaming the person in the situation they put the person into in the first place. For such government control freaks, although the USA has the largest prison population on earth, many times more people with criminal records, restricted citizen's rights and paying fees to ongoing government monitoring (probate and fees), it will NEVER be enough.
Just look at this forum's messages on any topic with any criminal punishment consequences. About 40% of the members want more laws, more severe punishment, even punishments beyond any that exist now, even beatings and torture, to totally destroy the person's life - in this instance for driving really fast across an empty desert on an empty highway. Put 100,000,000 people in jail and it wouldn't be enough.
Remember, lots and lots of people supported Maos and Stalin's death camps and summary brutal executions and imprisonments. Americans are made of the same dna and mindset. RABID xenophobia, all FEAR based, and fear leads to hatred - wanting all your fears addressed by imprisoning anyone who even in theory makes you afraid.
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