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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    With the recent brutal fight over the Borrowing limit and funding the ACA and another fight just around the corner would this be a good time for the Tea Party to create their own Party? I think they would draw people from both the Republican and Democratic parties. And if the public support is as large as they think it is then how could they go wrong. They have some of their own corp. donors. They could have their own platform and not have to piggy back off the GOP.
    That would be sorta like when they split the DC-men from the HT's. The HT's still carried their same share of the load, and the DC-men had it fairly easy as far as I could tell. But at least the HT's could, um, encourage the unrated junior personnel who weren't doing so well to join the DC rating, because there they'd find a home with people just like them. So maybe the Republicans would benefit from letting the Tea Partiers go their own way after all...
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    With the recent brutal fight over the Borrowing limit and funding the ACA and another fight just around the corner would this be a good time for the Tea Party to create their own Party?
    The tea partiers used to have their own party -- it was called the Libertarian Party .. still is.


    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    I think they would draw people from both the Republican and Democratic parties.
    Uh, yeah .. strong fiscal-economic conservatives from the Republicans who didn't care all that much about conservative social issues and strong social liberals from the Democrats who didn't care all that much about liberal economic issues.

    That's a libertarian: freedom-over-security on both economic-fiscal and social issues.


    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    And if the public support is as large as they think it is then how could they go wrong.
    It's not.

    The Libertarian Party was never a player and still isn't; never will be.

    Libertarianism mostly appeals to single young white males who've had unresolved issues with even valid authority figures. Thus it will never be a player with women, parents (especially middle-aged and older), and more psychologically adjusted people in general.


    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    They have some of their own corp. donors. They could have their own platform and not have to piggy back off the GOP.
    Yeah .. they tried that for so long, having their own party (The Libertarian Party), but then a bunch of them decided that wasn't working (no, duh!) and decided to hitch a ride on the right side of an elephant like a flock of oxpeckers. Not sure the symbiosis is working.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    Gee, I'll have to remember that the day I say, "The real Republican Party is the ginchiest, most cool party ever." Why you felt you needed to tell me this is a little puzzling . . . but what the hey . . . it's a free interenets.
    There was a little bit of assumption behind my post. I assumed you were a purist that thinks the Republican Party should live exactly by the party platform. That would be a recipe for disaster. The Republican Party should instead strive to bring us closer to our principles with realistic actions. You know. Like the Democratic Party has done for over 100 years.

    The way a party should function is they pick one leader and all other elected Republicans blindly support everything that he/she ask them to do. Sometimes you have to work as the minority party. Sometimes you have to work as the majority party. When you are the minority party you have to lean more to the left to accomplish things. When you are the majority party you have the opportunity to move toward the right but not to the extreme.

    I'm a Republican but I have to admit Republicans are much more divided than the Democrats. They are divided to the point of being incapable of taking any action.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    The tea party has no interest whatsoever, of course, since they know that as a separate party, they have no - or barely any - chance to be as heard and seen as they are now. Their exposure on a national level would - as for any other party aside form the Dems and GOP - be minimal, and they would be one of the many other "other parties" out there.
    The most successful third party in American history is the Prohibition Party. The Prohibition Party had two realistic items on their platform and only two. Their goal was never to get their candidates elected to office. Their goal was to splinter the two existing parties in order to force the two major parties to change their position. By the way the two items from the Prohibition Party was women suffrage and the prohibition of alcohol. It took them over 20 years to accomplish it but they were successful. Women are allowed to vote now and alcohol was prohibited for 14 years. Some may say the 18th Amendment was a failure but I disagree. Alcoholism was extremely common in the early part of American history. Now alcoholism only impacts a very small fraction of American families.

    My point is that the Tea Party has an idea that isn't popular enough to be adopted by a major political party but popular enough to steal votes from the Republicans. Now they just need an idea that will split the Democratic Party too.

    Their goal could be a Balanced Budget Amendment like most states already have and legalizing marijuana which has already been done in several states. One issue splits the Republican vote. The other issue splits the Democratic vote. I just don't know if the Tea Party leaders are humble enough to think in strategic terms.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    All this is a pipe dream, though, as the US' political system makes a viable third party all but pointless. In a parliamentary system (which I would prefer in this country, but we can't have because "OMG WHAT ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT LIKE A RELIGION"), a split would have already occurred, probably 3-4 years ago.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Why not? I think it would be a great idea! Of course I have no ulterior motives in saying that....
    Your a lefty of course you would love it.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Your a lefty of course you would love it.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I voted no. A split would only insure Democrats win more elections.

    If anyone should split - and I mean "split" in the sense of get the heck out of Dodge, it's the RINOs in the party.
    I agree! Anyone who is moderate or independent should leave the GOP and join the Democrats. We have a large enough tent to accept moderates and independents. Let the GOP be just the completely wacked out far fringers and see how far that gets them. I'm fine with that.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I voted no. A split would only insure Democrats win more elections.

    If anyone should split - and I mean "split" in the sense of get the heck out of Dodge, it's the RINOs in the party.
    I'd really like to know how you plan on expanding the sphere of influence of the Republican Party with that attitude. Democrats in my neck of the woods had to adapt, much to the annoyance of the hardcore DNCers, but it worked. It's all good to find out somehow you are ideologically pure (though I also question that), but it's another thing entirely to get power. Well, that is of course making the assumption that the "true" Republicans actually like having power. If they don't, then we can certainly assist them in making sure they won't. A smart Republican would want to water down his platform to get more folks in certain regions and call them Republicans. A dumb Republican would refuse on principle.

    On a side note, Theodore Roosevelt also used the RINO pejorative (though not in name) against Taft supporters due to their lack of progressivism (even though this too is exaggerated on his part). These things tend to change.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Your a lefty of course you would love it.
    Why, I'm sure I don't know what you mean, suh....
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