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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Demonetization comes with the territory. What most people can't see is the need to sacrifice a little today in order to continue on with a lot of helpful programs like SS and Medicare in the future. If it means raising the age one become entitled to SS, instead of from 62-67 as it is today to 65-70 do it. 65 was chosen because that was the average life span back when SS first began. Today, what is it 75 or some where near. the thing is this country is in dire financial trouble and we still want to keep adding spending and programs.

    My comment is if we do not all sacrifice a little to day, we will suffer a whole lot in the future. Once we fall into that abyss and it is coming, what good is a social security check at 62 if all it can buy is a loaf of bread and a dozen eggs.
    Social Security is sound financially, for the time being, and is not contributing to the national deficit. So there's no need to "reform" it at this time. There are many blue collar workers whose bodies fail, or who get laid off and will not be able to get other employment (not many employers want to hire seniors, esp at decent wages). I am empathetic to them. They hang on, waiting for Social Security. I saw a road worker last year and my heart went out to him. An older man wearing his orange vest, limping across the road in front of me, as I was stopped at a stop light. He carried his tools of the trade. I would hate to tell him that he has to limp along in his physical job, with a disability, for three more years. (He didn't have a full disability that would get him SS Disability payments....which are sparse payments, anyway).

    Medicare is another story. Medicare Part D is what sent Medicare over the hill, is my understanding. It cost $1 Trillion Dollars and wasn't funded, to provide Rx coverage. Additionally, there is STILL that provision in Part D that prohibits the govt from negotiating with Big Pharma over prescription prices (shameful....it makes no sense not to be able to negotiate a discount when your group has millions of people in it!). The ACA adds to Part D, filling in the donut hole partially, I believe...but that is funded by the ACA.

    If the U S does something about the outrageous cost of prescription medication in the country, then Part D could at least be modified to decrease coverage. And take out that provision prohibiting negotiating with Big Pharma for discount pricing. The US pays more for medicines than any other country. And Big Pharma loves it. They use some of their enormous profits to run all those ads pushing medications for everything imaginable, while there are no ads recommending yoga, daily exercise, eating vegetables, and the like, which would cure a lot of illnesses.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Social Security is sound financially, for the time being, and is not contributing to the national deficit. So there's no need to "reform" it at this time. There are many blue collar workers whose bodies fail, or who get laid off and will not be able to get other employment (not many employers want to hire seniors, esp at decent wages). I am empathetic to them. They hang on, waiting for Social Security. I saw a road worker last year and my heart went out to him. An older man wearing his orange vest, limping across the road in front of me, as I was stopped at a stop light. He carried his tools of the trade. I would hate to tell him that he has to limp along in his physical job, with a disability, for three more years. (He didn't have a full disability that would get him SS Disability payments....which are sparse payments, anyway).

    Medicare is another story. Medicare Part D is what sent Medicare over the hill, is my understanding. It cost $1 Trillion Dollars and wasn't funded, to provide Rx coverage. Additionally, there is STILL that provision in Part D that prohibits the govt from negotiating with Big Pharma over prescription prices (shameful....it makes no sense not to be able to negotiate a discount when your group has millions of people in it!). The ACA adds to Part D, filling in the donut hole partially, I believe...but that is funded by the ACA.

    If the U S does something about the outrageous cost of prescription medication in the country, then Part D could at least be modified to decrease coverage. And take out that provision prohibiting negotiating with Big Pharma for discount pricing. The US pays more for medicines than any other country. And Big Pharma loves it. They use some of their enormous profits to run all those ads pushing medications for everything imaginable, while there are no ads recommending yoga, daily exercise, eating vegetables, and the like, which would cure a lot of illnesses.
    Yep, I agree.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Social Security is sound financially, for the time being, and is not contributing to the national deficit. So there's no need to "reform" it at this time. There are many blue collar workers whose bodies fail, or who get laid off and will not be able to get other employment (not many employers want to hire seniors, esp at decent wages). I am empathetic to them. They hang on, waiting for Social Security. I saw a road worker last year and my heart went out to him. An older man wearing his orange vest, limping across the road in front of me, as I was stopped at a stop light. He carried his tools of the trade. I would hate to tell him that he has to limp along in his physical job, with a disability, for three more years. (He didn't have a full disability that would get him SS Disability payments....which are sparse payments, anyway).

    Medicare is another story. Medicare Part D is what sent Medicare over the hill, is my understanding. It cost $1 Trillion Dollars and wasn't funded, to provide Rx coverage. Additionally, there is STILL that provision in Part D that prohibits the govt from negotiating with Big Pharma over prescription prices (shameful....it makes no sense not to be able to negotiate a discount when your group has millions of people in it!). The ACA adds to Part D, filling in the donut hole partially, I believe...but that is funded by the ACA.

    If the U S does something about the outrageous cost of prescription medication in the country, then Part D could at least be modified to decrease coverage. And take out that provision prohibiting negotiating with Big Pharma for discount pricing. The US pays more for medicines than any other country. And Big Pharma loves it. They use some of their enormous profits to run all those ads pushing medications for everything imaginable, while there are no ads recommending yoga, daily exercise, eating vegetables, and the like, which would cure a lot of illnesses.
    Hear, hear! How is it that the cost of part D never seemed to cause much of a ripple, yet the cost of Obamacare caused a kerfluffle that closed down the government? It makes no sense.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    With the recent brutal fight over the Borrowing limit and funding the ACA and another fight just around the corner would this be a good time for the Tea Party to create their own Party? I think they would draw people from both the Republican and Democratic parties. And if the public support is as large as they think it is then how could they go wrong. They have some of their own corp. donors. They could have their own platform and not have to piggy back off the GOP.
    Yes, but I think they should go away entirely.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    I got to wondering while reading this thread just what the Tea Party really stood for. What is their platform, their core beliefs? Is it a movement to ridicule, or one to join?

    so, I looked it up. Here is there declared platform:

    Ten Core Beliefs of the Modern-Day Tea Party Movement

    Preamble: The Tea Party Movement is an all-inclusive American grassroots movement with the belief that everyone is created equal and deserves an equal opportunity to thrive in these United States where they may “pursue life, liberty and happiness” as stated in the Declaration of Independence and guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.

    No one is excluded from participation in the Tea Party Movement. Everyone is welcomed to join in seeking to achieve the Tea Party Movement goals, which are as follows:
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party


    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    With the recent brutal fight over the Borrowing limit and funding the ACA and another fight just around the corner would this be a good time for the Tea Party to create their own Party? I think they would draw people from both the Republican and Democratic parties. And if the public support is as large as they think it is then how could they go wrong. They have some of their own corp. donors. They could have their own platform and not have to piggy back off the GOP.
    No. Breaking away and creating a national third party would essentially result in a substantial number of election cycles where both the Republicans and the "Tea Party" Paryt would be relegated to near endangered species status.

    While a "Tea Party" Party COULD draw some Democratic voters into their ranks, and would garner some independents, it'd still be fighting the Republican party over a "base" of voters.

    The amount of the "base" they'd miss out on that would instead go to Republicans would not be overcome by the amount of additional independents or Democratic leaning votes they could attract. The damage in the split base would doom Republicans and "Tea Party" Party members in any election where both are participating.

    Not to mention, making a national "Tea Party" party would be almost impossible based on the very nature of the movement. The Tea Party movement's foundational message is one of fiscal and governmental conservatism. The problem is, for a "national" party, you need to have a stance on Social and Defense issues as well. On this, there is no inherent "standard" as it relates to the tea party movements guiding principles. "Tea Party" types in the North east and those in the South and those in middle america and those out west all may have very different views and thoughts as it relates to these issues.

    That's the problem with a "Tea Party" Party. The "Tea Party Movement" only has a "platform" that covers a portion of what actual party platforms need to cover. And there's no "movement wide" agreement when it comes to the other portions of a platform that needs to be decided on.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

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    No. Breaking away and creating a national third party would essentially result in a substantial number of election cycles where both the Republicans and the "Tea Party" Paryt would be relegated to near endangered species status.

    While a "Tea Party" Party COULD draw some Democratic voters into their ranks, and would garner some independents, it'd still be fighting the Republican party over a "base" of voters.

    The amount of the "base" they'd miss out on that would instead go to Republicans would not be overcome by the amount of additional independents or Democratic leaning votes they could attract. The damage in the split base would doom Republicans and "Tea Party" Party members in any election where both are participating.

    Not to mention, making a national "Tea Party" party would be almost impossible based on the very nature of the movement. The Tea Party movement's foundational message is one of fiscal and governmental conservatism. The problem is, for a "national" party, you need to have a stance on Social and Defense issues as well. On this, there is no inherent "standard" as it relates to the tea party movements guiding principles. "Tea Party" types in the North east and those in the South and those in middle america and those out west all may have very different views and thoughts as it relates to these issues.

    That's the problem with a "Tea Party" Party. The "Tea Party Movement" only has a "platform" that covers a portion of what actual party platforms need to cover. And there's no "movement wide" agreement when it comes to the other portions of a platform that needs to be decided on.
    I think the most practical analysis, though, would predict that the Tea Party would take the very conservative and moderates would join the Republicans. So the Republicans and TPers wouldn't be fighting for the same base against the Democrats. The Democrats would be left with the very liberal. Thus, the Republican party would be the group that most people in the US most closely identified with.

    The very conservative and the very liberal are the loudest groups- and of course the most detached from reality- but they're not the most numerous.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    I'd love to see a real Republican Party again.
    Political parties are supposed to be functional not cool.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Political parties are supposed to be functional not cool.

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    Gee, I'll have to remember that the day I say, "The real Republican Party is the ginchiest, most cool party ever." Why you felt you needed to tell me this is a little puzzling . . . but what the hey . . . it's a free interenets.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    They shouldn't split from it. They have been infiltrating it and taking over, one election at a time...

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