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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Each candidate and each party has their list of donors, fat cats etc. Then there is the corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, etc. These last ones usually support incumbents more than challengers as incumbents usually win regardless of party. The two parties have different committees for the house and senate and a national one that receives donations and distributes them. Having worked for Perot, I know how hard it is to get a corporation/wall street firm etc to give money to a third party candidate which if the tea party split from the GOP it would become. These institutions do not like have to give to two parties much less three. But they want the people who we elect to owe them.

    I did a search for tea party members in congress which gave me 60 names in the house after 2010 and 47 after last year. 8 tea party members in the senate after 2010 and 6 after last year. So there is already a thinning. So perhaps we might just let nature take its course and look at another thinning next year. But the question I have, with this thinning how many winnable seats will be lost because of a candidate that has no appear outside his base?


    Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor are what i would consider to be Republican TEA Party people who have a rational approach to the political life.

    They embody and campaign to achieve what the fiscally responsible are hoping for in this country.

    They are demonized by the Democrats and their willing stenographers in the MSM.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor are what i would consider to be Republican TEA Party people who have a rational approach to the political life.

    They embody and campaign to achieve what the fiscally responsible are hoping for in this country.

    They are demonized by the Democrats and their willing stenographers in the MSM.
    Demonetization comes with the territory. What most people can't see is the need to sacrifice a little today in order to continue on with a lot of helpful programs like SS and Medicare in the future. If it means raising the age one become entitled to SS, instead of from 62-67 as it is today to 65-70 do it. 65 was chosen because that was the average life span back when SS first began. Today, what is it 75 or some where near. the thing is this country is in dire financial trouble and we still want to keep adding spending and programs.

    My comment is if we do not all sacrifice a little to day, we will suffer a whole lot in the future. Once we fall into that abyss and it is coming, what good is a social security check at 62 if all it can buy is a loaf of bread and a dozen eggs.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    I'm going to say yes, but only because that would destroy the Republican Party, and maybe give the libertarian party a fighting chance.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Demonetization comes with the territory. What most people can't see is the need to sacrifice a little today in order to continue on with a lot of helpful programs like SS and Medicare in the future. If it means raising the age one become entitled to SS, instead of from 62-67 as it is today to 65-70 do it. 65 was chosen because that was the average life span back when SS first began. Today, what is it 75 or some where near. the thing is this country is in dire financial trouble and we still want to keep adding spending and programs.

    My comment is if we do not all sacrifice a little to day, we will suffer a whole lot in the future. Once we fall into that abyss and it is coming, what good is a social security check at 62 if all it can buy is a loaf of bread and a dozen eggs.
    I think that part of the problem is that people don't see DC sharing in the sacrificing! And I'm talking about the POTUS on down! They are supposed to work for us, not the other way around! The people who created these problems exempt themselves from the laws they pass that affect everyone else; their salaries remain the same no matter what hardships befall the people; and if people only had to work the number of days they do on a yearly basis for a minimum salary of $175,000, everyone would feel better treated! And when they want more money in their paychecks, all they have to do is vote on it, and Voila, it's there! : How on earth did we ever allow them to do this with our money?

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I think that part of the problem is that people don't see DC sharing in the sacrificing! And I'm talking about the POTUS on down! They are supposed to work for us, not the other way around! The people who created these problems exempt themselves from the laws they pass that affect everyone else; their salaries remain the same no matter what hardships befall the people; and if people only had to work the number of days they do on a yearly basis for a minimum salary of $175,000, everyone would feel better treated! And when they want more money in their paychecks, all they have to do is vote on it, and Voila, it's there! : How on earth did we ever allow them to do this with our money?
    No, saying they have to vote on their own pay raise is wrong. Several years ago they passed a law that automatically raises their pay without a vote. They have to vote in order not to receive their pay raise. Their salary is just the tip of the ice berg, how would you like to go serve for 2 years which qualifies you for their retirement system which means once you are defeated or retire from congress you can receive the same salary for the rest of your life. Heathcare, provided by the government and hence the congress exempting themselves from the ACA. Then their is their GYM and Cafeteria where costs are slow low that what you or I would pay for a hamburger they pay that for a T-Bone Steak or Lobster and this goes on and on and on.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Per the OP question: it's inevitable. Tea Partiers have an ideology they hold strongly to under all circumstances. Sometimes it serves Tea Partiers to be aligned with GOPs, sometimes with dems.

    Tea Partiers don't have an allegiance to any political party. Tea Partiers have an allegiance to an ideology (like the socialist dem wing comprised, for example, by Reid, Peolsi, and Obama) . If there ever where a RINO (Republican In Name Only) group within the GOP, it would be Tea Partiers.
    Last edited by cabse5; 10-19-13 at 01:23 PM.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No, saying they have to vote on their own pay raise is wrong. Several years ago they passed a law that automatically raises their pay without a vote. They have to vote in order not to receive their pay raise. Their salary is just the tip of the ice berg, how would you like to go serve for 2 years which qualifies you for their retirement system which means once you are defeated or retire from congress you can receive the same salary for the rest of your life. Heathcare, provided by the government and hence the congress exempting themselves from the ACA. Then their is their GYM and Cafeteria where costs are slow low that what you or I would pay for a hamburger they pay that for a T-Bone Steak or Lobster and this goes on and on and on.
    I stand corrected on the increased pay thing, but I remember when they used to have to vote on it. However, when you consider that what they replaced it with is even better for them, since it is now "automatic" and they don't have to explain to their constituents why they're salaries are increasing, it's brilliant! Why can't they use the energy they spend looking out for themselves, and apply it to the problems this country faces? Uh huh, Riiight!

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I stand corrected on the increased pay thing, but I remember when they used to have to vote on it. However, when you consider that what they replaced it with is even better for them, since it is now "automatic" and they don't have to explain to their constituents why they're salaries are increasing, it's brilliant! Why can't they use the energy they spend looking out for themselves, and apply it to the problems this country faces? Uh huh, Riiight!
    Time to bring back the citizen legislature. I do not think term limits is the answer as in a way we do have term limits with ever we have an election. But I say make congress live under the same laws we have to, after all they passed them, no more exempting congress. no more retirement system, after all our founders and framers looked at congress as someone who would go to Washington to perform some public service and then return to his home and job, not make a career out of it. Do away with salaries, the first congress's were paid per diem only. Health care, just make the VA or a military clinic and hospital available to them. Housing, put them up on Ft McNair or other military housing units cost free to them. You get the picture, without all the benefits, I am sure most would not make it a career. We would have fresh blood coming to Washington all the time and I would bet a dollar to a donut, a lot of the partisan bickering would cease. A lot of this party over country would cease.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Demonetization comes with the territory. What most people can't see is the need to sacrifice a little today in order to continue on with a lot of helpful programs like SS and Medicare in the future. If it means raising the age one become entitled to SS, instead of from 62-67 as it is today to 65-70 do it. 65 was chosen because that was the average life span back when SS first began. Today, what is it 75 or some where near. the thing is this country is in dire financial trouble and we still want to keep adding spending and programs.

    My comment is if we do not all sacrifice a little to day, we will suffer a whole lot in the future. Once we fall into that abyss and it is coming, what good is a social security check at 62 if all it can buy is a loaf of bread and a dozen eggs.



    We'll be like France. And with the bread and eggs, we can have French Toast.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    I'd love that. Let the radical right all flock there, have moderates and centrists full the vacuum in the republican party, allowing the radical left to take over the democrats.

    We'd be left with a real rational and pragmatic party of moderates and centrists in the "new" republican party and the country could laugh at all the ideologues on each fringe.

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