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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You're right, in a three way the Dem would win. But how many more years will the Republican Party be willing to have a Mourdock replace a shoe in like Luger in Indiana. You had Aiken where you are, What's her name, don't you think Steelman I think could have fairly easily beaten McCaskill? Inside of the Missouri poll on the senate race there they had an approval rating for the two candidates, McCaskill disapproval rating was at 60%, Aiken's at 70% about a week prior to the election. House district races are a bit different as in a lot of districts the way they are drawn, independents mean nothing.

    But how many times do you think the GOP will put up with a candidate that could win a certain state being primaried out by one that is a certain loser in the primary? They better come to an agreement and be able to live with each other or split.
    The Akins of the world are certainly annoying, but I think there'll be more of them if the two sides actually split.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    The Akins of the world are certainly annoying, but I think there'll be more of them if the two sides actually split.
    That's my point. How many more Akins primarying out more winnable choices in the primary will the republicans put up with. The Republicans have an excellent chance to pick up 6 or 7 senate seats next year, WV, SD, MT, AK, LA, AR, NC all come to mind where the incumbent democratic senator either retired or the incumbent is in trouble and the states are rated toss ups. How many of these states will the Republicans lose if they nominate an Aiken/Mourdock type candidate? I mention KY and GA as two republicans seats that could go Democratic with an Aiken/Mourdock candidate on the GOP side of the ballot.

    The funny part of this, when the tea party first came out, I felt a real close affinity to it being a Reform Party member and a defict fighting hawk ala Perot. But over the last couple, three years I have lost that affinity as I consider the tea party drifted away from the ideals they begin with. This whole shut down fight was needless and a waste of time, energy and money. Any republican/tea party member with a lick of common political sense should have known attaching a defunding rider for the ACA would be impossible to accomplish. All they had to do is look at the other side of the Capital Building to see a Democratic Senate and if that wasn't enough, to the White House and the president's veto pen.

    So why force a battle you know you can't win? Why not idle away sometime in order to fight another day, November 2014 would be that day and that time for the battle over the senate seats I mention. Not 1 Oct.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That's my point. How many more Akins primarying out more winnable choices in the primary will the republicans put up with. The Republicans have an excellent chance to pick up 6 or 7 senate seats next year, WV, SD, MT, AK, LA, AR, NC all come to mind where the incumbent democratic senator either retired or the incumbent is in trouble and the states are rated toss ups. How many of these states will the Republicans lose if they nominate an Aiken/Mourdock type candidate? I mention KY and GA as two republicans seats that could go Democratic with an Aiken/Mourdock candidate on the GOP side of the ballot.
    I'm concerned that if the Tea Party types start running their own candidates the Democrats would sweep those seats and take back the House. The presidential elections are close enough that neither the Tea Party or the other Republicans would ever win if they split their side of the vote.

    The funny part of this, when the tea party first came out, I felt a real close affinity to it being a Reform Party member and a defict fighting hawk ala Perot. But over the last couple, three years I have lost that affinity as I consider the tea party drifted away from the ideals they begin with. This whole shut down fight was needless and a waste of time, energy and money. Any republican/tea party member with a lick of common political sense should have known attaching a defunding rider for the ACA would be impossible to accomplish. All they had to do is look at the other side of the Capital Building to see a Democratic Senate and if that wasn't enough, to the White House and the president's veto pen.
    It was a really bad strategy, I don't know what they were trying to accomplish. If anything they only helped the ACA.

    So why force a battle you know you can't win? Why not idle away sometime in order to fight another day, November 2014 would be that day and that time for the battle over the senate seats I mention. Not 1 Oct.
    Yep, that would've been better.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Yeah, because having a party aimed at angry white christian males is really going with the demographics...LOL

    They are stupid enough to do it.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    I really haven't paid much attention to the "Tea Party" in recent years.

    Last I was paying attention, they were a coalition of smaller groups (most with some form of "tea party" in their names or creed), working together because they had similar goals.

    I would say they have never really been part of the republican party, what with hearing about "tea party candidates" and/or "office holders" from time to time.

    They do wield influence over some areas of republican control, but I wouldn't say they are exactly PART of the republican party.


    OR am I way off here...


    Edit: The thing is, from what I've heard I agree with them on some matters, at least in part. They just have a bunch of hellaciously heavy baggage they haul around with the good bits.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I'm concerned that if the Tea Party types start running their own candidates the Democrats would sweep those seats and take back the House. The presidential elections are close enough that neither the Tea Party or the other Republicans would ever win if they split their side of the vote.



    It was a really bad strategy, I don't know what they were trying to accomplish. If anything they only helped the ACA.



    Yep, that would've been better.
    Yeah, for the first or maybe even two elections what you say I think would be true. But I think over 2 election cycles the tea party would cease to exist to be a threat. I do wonder if trying to appease them, that in the long run what you fear will happen anyway and then the shedding of the tea party would be that much tougher if possible and painful as you would have to again go through a couple of election cycles. But it much worse shape.

    But we shall see whats happens. We may be jabbering over nothing.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yeah, for the first or maybe even two elections what you say I think would be true. But I think over 2 election cycles the tea party would cease to exist to be a threat. I do wonder if trying to appease them, that in the long run what you fear will happen anyway and then the shedding of the tea party would be that much tougher if possible and painful as you would have to again go through a couple of election cycles. But it much worse shape.

    But we shall see whats happens. We may be jabbering over nothing.
    Where do they get their funding from to help their candidates?

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Where do they get their funding from to help their candidates?
    Each candidate and each party has their list of donors, fat cats etc. Then there is the corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, etc. These last ones usually support incumbents more than challengers as incumbents usually win regardless of party. The two parties have different committees for the house and senate and a national one that receives donations and distributes them. Having worked for Perot, I know how hard it is to get a corporation/wall street firm etc to give money to a third party candidate which if the tea party split from the GOP it would become. These institutions do not like have to give to two parties much less three. But they want the people who we elect to owe them.

    I did a search for tea party members in congress which gave me 60 names in the house after 2010 and 47 after last year. 8 tea party members in the senate after 2010 and 6 after last year. So there is already a thinning. So perhaps we might just let nature take its course and look at another thinning next year. But the question I have, with this thinning how many winnable seats will be lost because of a candidate that has no appear outside his base?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    As part of the Republican party, the Tea Party can influence rather large decisions. As a third party they're going to win about as many elections as other third parties do. That is to say, not many. I think the only way they separate from the Republicans is if the Republican party wants them out. Of course, if the Tea Party picks up on that movement within the Republican party it might make sense for them to leave on their own rather than be forced out since it would look better.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    I don't think the Tea Party has enough crossover appeal and the two parties seem to have created a system that makes it extremely difficult for a third party to win. It is better for a third party movement to work through the existing parties imo like the Tea Party and Libertarians have done in the GOP.

    If I understand the 2010 legislation that created Super PACs, it makes it much easier for a third party movement to gain power within the two parties themselves. Ideally if you could get a Tea Party type movement that is attractive to the say 80% of the population that are not on the extreme ends of the political spectrum, it would likely be much more successful movement imo. Something like a centrist think tank with great, creative public policy ideas(my public policy ideas that beautifully blend Conservatism and Liberalism in a synergistic way ) aligning with an organization such as No Labels.

    Funding provided by Super PACs through huge donations by a handful of billionaires like Bloomberg, Musk, Gates, etc (say a total of a billion dollars at minimum with all the Super PACs combined). Unlike the Tea Party that started more grass roots, this will be highly organized and dynamic at the top. It will need to have the ability to attract and convince a much higher quality of political candidates to run as a "no label" republican, "no label" democrat, or "no label" independent depending on the easiest path to election in congressional districts. These candidates will have to support the tight public policy plan of the think tank so that real change can be implemented. Need to have some political stars to rise to be face of movement. Create a national website where the public can easily find the website to the no label candidate in their districts. The branding, campaigns, and funding all need to be dynamic.

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