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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    There was a little bit of assumption behind my post. I assumed you were a purist that thinks the Republican Party should live exactly by the party platform. That would be a recipe for disaster. The Republican Party should instead strive to bring us closer to our principles with realistic actions. You know. Like the Democratic Party has done for over 100 years.

    The way a party should function is they pick one leader and all other elected Republicans blindly support everything that he/she ask them to do. Sometimes you have to work as the minority party. Sometimes you have to work as the majority party. When you are the minority party you have to lean more to the left to accomplish things. When you are the majority party you have the opportunity to move toward the right but not to the extreme.

    I'm a Republican but I have to admit Republicans are much more divided than the Democrats. They are divided to the point of being incapable of taking any action.

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    More like a huge bit of assumption . . . but thats OK. It is a political debate website after all. I have to assume this stuff is going to happen. By the way, what is a Republican purist?

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    But define RINO. In name only meaning what? Abortion, for example, is a religiously driven issue in the GOP. In that Tea Partisans want very much to eliminate abortions, and birth control, that's big government. RINO? Religion in government. RINO? Opposition to gay marriage, a religious issue. RINO?
    Well look at it this way, on every one of those issues the Democrats are united - abortion (check); birth control (check); big government (check); anti-religion (check); gay marriage (check); and on down the line, be it welfare (check), immigration (check); spending (check and double check)...

    The Republicans have let the Democrats dictate our issues for us - issues that have done more to split us than anything else. Worse than allowing them to dictate our issues, we've let them dictate our values as well.

    A "RINO" then (imho) is anyone in the Republican Party who lets others dictate what it is they value, and that for the singular purpose of staying in office because they value that more than principles, especially the principles on which our party once stood. I despise people who capitulate at the drop of hat, who think compromising their values is the path to success, who seek to appease their opponents in congress rather than represent their constituents back home if the former will ensure their longevity in D.C. In general, those are the RINOs, "representatives" who have lost the moral sanction to represent anyone but themselves, who "go along to get along," men and women who provide by their equivocal values concrete definition for the need for term limits.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    I chose "no", but it probably should have been "other".

    I think the "tea party" is one of the main bases of the republican party, so I think that the republican party should become the tea party.

    If some of the republicans do not want to go that route, they should break off and form another party, or join the democrats.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    what is a Republican purist?
    Someone that is willing to uphold the principles of the Republican Party exactly as stated instead of using them as a guiding force. They will even take it to the extreme of political suicide or as an excuse to turn against a fellow Republican. They fail to see the Republican Party as a team. They instead see it as an ideal that should be kept in it's purist form.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Someone that is willing to uphold the principles of the Republican Party exactly as stated instead of using them as a guiding force. They will even take it to the extreme of political suicide or as an excuse to turn against a fellow Republican. They fail to see the Republican Party as a team. They instead see it as an ideal that should be kept in it's purist form.

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    Oh . . . well, Ahh OK . . . now I understand why you thought I was saying the real Republican Party was neato-keato really cool. That assumption was right there to be made. I'm just kiddin' my man . . . evrything's A-OK . . . OK?

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Then they have the worst name since PLASTIC GLASS.
    Can't really argue with that. While a mild bit of common sense should indicate that "party" is a word that has multiple meanings and is used, in part, for allusionary purposes I can fully understand where the confussion comes in for everyday people with regards to it being a "political party" due to it's ties to politics. What boggles my mind are actual politically inclined and educated individuals, especially those who've had it clearly explained ot them, who still at times ignorantly represent it as an actual "political party".

    Which is why in the long run they will not survive. The mainstream party will tire of their parasite nature and you already see signs of that coming out of the latest shut down debacle of which they are getting major negative blowback. If they try it again in the coming year - those negatives will only rise.
    Eh, I disagree. Most political movements are parasitic in nature. There's never going to be a successful anti-war, environmentalist, religious, fed-ending 3rd party out there that focuses just on those things. ALL political movements generally latch onto one of the two big parties and simply try to steer them.

    I think the Tea Party movement will likely remain around for some time, though its intensity will likely not be anywhere near as strong as it was in 2010 without some kind of galvinizing factor being in play again. I think the general mentality of it can't easily be jettisoned however because I do think it's a mentality held by a large cross section of the Republican base.

    In the end, they will NOT form a true Tea Party and only attempt to hijack the Republican Party as they do NOT have the skills, talent and ability to run a day-to-day political party and all it entails.
    This is just a strawman fashioned to allow you an excuse to toss out insults and nothing more. The reality is that by and large, most people who ask about the "Tea party" being an actual POLITICAL PARTY are people who are NOT part of the movement. More often then not, Tea Partiers have no distinct desire...other than perhaps as an empty threat as a means of persuation...of legitimately starting a 3rd party. They seek to function like the Anti-War movement and other political movements, steering the national party that most closely aligns to them in the direction they like. If the movements membership is big enough to have an impact, then it will successfully cause that move or the party will actually suffer for it. If they don't have enough, then it will fail. Simple as that. You gleefully toss your insults about skill, talent, and ability because it reveals your true intent is to just be that...insulting. The reality is simple...they don't have the DESIRE to run or be a day-to-day political party.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    TP candidates would be silly to split from the GOP.... this split would only serve to have them cast out of the system entirely..... no money, no debates, limited ballot access..... all the bad mojo that current 3rd parties have to deal with now.

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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    But define RINO. In name only meaning what? Abortion, for example, is a religiously driven issue in the GOP. In that Tea Partisans want very much to eliminate abortions, and birth control, that's big government. RINO? Religion in government. RINO? Opposition to gay marriage, a religious issue. RINO?
    The presidential candidate for a political party is a clear indication of the desires of the voters of said political party.Tell me about the last GOP presidential candidate that was a Libertarian - Tea Partier..

    Why did Libertarians like, for example, Pat Buchanan land on networks like CNN to critisize a GOP administration (W. Bush)? Tell me where Libertarians sided on the Patriot Act. Was this an agreement with the majority of the GOP? No.


    Why do Libertarians like, for example, John Stossel, have TV documentaries on Fox News that only address the excess of gov't spending? Why do former dem administration aids and Libertarians like, for example, Dick Morris land on FOX News? Answer: so they can lambaste the excesses of gov't spending (in this case, ObamaCare). I wonder which Libertarian trait got Morris booted from Fox News?

    Libertarians/tea partiers are RINOs? Yes.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Can't really argue with that. While a mild bit of common sense should indicate that "party" is a word that has multiple meanings and is used, in part, for allusionary purposes I can fully understand where the confussion comes in for everyday people with regards to it being a "political party" due to it's ties to politics. What boggles my mind are actual politically inclined and educated individuals, especially those who've had it clearly explained ot them, who still at times ignorantly represent it as an actual "political party".


    You have some valid points there and I will stand up and admit that for me - the name is something of a pet peeve that irrates me to no end. The fact is - and you recognize this - is that they are NOT a political party and their name says otherwise since they are deeply involved in politics and elections.

    Time will tell as which one of is correct on their longevity. I already see signs of their waning power. Not making a move in the last presidential election did not help them.


    This is just a strawman fashioned to allow you an excuse to toss out insults and nothing more. The reality is that by and large, most people who ask about the "Tea party" being an actual POLITICAL PARTY are people who are NOT part of the movement. More often then not, Tea Partiers have no distinct desire...other than perhaps as an empty threat as a means of persuation...of legitimately starting a 3rd party. They seek to function like the Anti-War movement and other political movements, steering the national party that most closely aligns to them in the direction they like. If the movements membership is big enough to have an impact, then it will successfully cause that move or the party will actually suffer for it. If they don't have enough, then it will fail. Simple as that. You gleefully toss your insults about skill, talent, and ability because it reveals your true intent is to just be that...insulting. The reality is simple...they don't have the DESIRE to run or be a day-to-day political party.
    Yes - I insult them because they are worthy of insults. Let them or their apologists sue me.

    They do not run as a political party for all the reasons I previously cited. And the whole bit about its only people NOT part of the movement who are confused or criticize the name is very true. True - but deserved just the same. I suspect the same could be said for those outside the North American Man Boy Love Association and how that name confuses them.
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    Re: Should the Tea Party split from the Rebublican Party

    If they want to be legitimate in any way, yes

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