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If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

If there was a national vote on equal rights for gays what would you do?


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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

The states voting down has been posted a dozen times and you know it....Nice try though.

nope that is a lie, it factually has not. Not even ONE time was it.

there has been NO list posted of the states that had a public vote to ban marriage

and dont forget about the other two parts to.

State polls and national polls


the only try was the lie you just posted.
 
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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

we are still waiting for you to list all the states that banned it by public vote and then what the pool results are for those states approving equal rights for gays and then the national poll results.

I wonder why you keep dodging this?

Here you go for the 100th time.

List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

nope that is a lie, it factually has not. Not even ONE time was it.

there has been NO list posted of the states that had a public vote to ban marriage

and dont forget about the other two parts to.

State polls and national pools


the only try was the lie you just posted.

see my last post and I expect and apology........For someone who is so up on SSM you seem clueless on the facts.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,


sorry that is NOT a list of the states that had a public vote to ban marriage

nice try but you fail again

nor does that link reference the state and national polls.

Your post fails again. now stop dodging and answer.

Please stop lying it has NEVER been posted and it still hasnt.

I will ask you again

we are still waiting for you to list all the states that banned it by public vote and then what the pool results are for those states approving equal rights for gays and then the national poll results.

I wonder why you keep dodging this?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

1.)see my last post and I expect and apology........
2.)For someone who is so up on SSM you seem clueless on the facts.

1.) apology for what you STILL have never posted the list and it still hasnt been posted
2.) nope i know the facts its how i destroy all your posts all the time.

You keep saying theres all these states that had a public vote and banned it, what are they?

I will ask you again

we are still waiting for you to list all the states that banned it by public vote and then what the pool results are for those states approving equal rights for gays and then the national poll results.

I wonder why you keep dodging this?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Its not just my opinion its a fact. 99% of the time gay marriage has not been approved by the people only by left wing judges.
California, Judaical
Connecticut, Judicial
Delaware, Legislative
Iowa, Judicial
Maine, Ballot
Maryland, Legislative
Massachusetts, Judicial
Minnesota, Ballot (rejected ban), Legislative (Enacted Law)
New Hampshire, Legislative
New Jersey, Judicial
New York, Legislative
Rhode Island, Legislative
Vermont, Legislative
Washington, Ballot
The District of Columbia, Legislative


15 Legal Entities with Same-sex Civil Marriage
5 enacted by Judicial Action
10 enacted through the Legislative or Ballot Process


In other words only 33.33% have been a result of court order.


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Huh? what do you call legislative...

I call it being passed by the legislature, means it was passed by the cognitive state legislature.


As and example activist judges In Iowa approved Gay marriage and in the next election they were fired, kicked out.....The people spoke then

You should review the list above, Iowa isn't an example of Same-sex Civil Marriage being passed be the legislature or at the ballot box. You will see it listed as "Judicial".

Your claim was that 99% of States with SSCM were done by Judges, that is false. Only 33% of States with SSCM happened becaues of judges. The other 66% were passed by the legislature or approved by voters at the ballot box.

You were factually incorrect. Similar to your earlier statement that Maine would not pass it at the ballot box yet that is exactly what they did in November of 2012.


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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Sorry the 14th amendment does not mention marriage be it straight or gay.


Are you of the opinion that rights must be enumerated in the Constitution to be available to the people?


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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

I call it being passed by the legislature, means it was passed by the cognitive state legislature.




You should review the list above, Iowa isn't an example of Same-sex Civil Marriage being passed be the legislature or at the ballot box. You will see it listed as "Judicial".

Your claim was that 99% of States with SSCM were done by Judges, that is false. Only 33% of States with SSCM happened becaues of judges. The other 66% were passed by the legislature or approved by voters at the ballot box.

You were factually incorrect. Similar to your earlier statement that Maine would not pass it at the ballot box yet that is exactly what they did in November of 2012.


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Did you even read the title or look at my link?

Are you denying that 30 some states have banned SSM? come on.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Are you of the opinion that rights must be enumerated in the Constitution to be available to the people?


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I believe that is right for the most part but not in all cases.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Is there some other kind of person who opposes gay rights?

That's a rhetorical question. The answer is no.
That Obama guy...right up until he decided he needed their votes. What a douchebag he is. Oh...and a WHOLE BUNCH of democrat voters (pastors, etc).
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Did you even read the title or look at my link?

Are you denying that 30 some states have banned SSM? come on.

yes we all did and obviously you did not

we are still waiting for the list of states that had a public vote to ban it

heck you dont even have to name them, tell us had many had a public vote to ban it
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

If history is any indicator 32 states would vote against it. Thank goodness for judicial activism. You really are better off NOT putting it to a vote...thats a losing proposition.

List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History? You havent mentionded any relevant history to the question.

so how many of those states had a public vote and banned it?
why is legislation an indicator of how voting would turn out?

better question, why do you think legislation is a better indicator then public polling about the topic?


and are you away that at least one state had a public vote but the legislation banned it anyway?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

History? You havent mentionded any relevant history to the question.

so how many of those states had a public vote and banned it?
why is legislation an indicator of how voting would turn out?

better question, why do you think legislation is a better indicator then public polling about the topic?


and are you away that at least one state had a public vote but the legislation banned it anyway?
Well...see...the constituents...the 'people'...vote for these people called representatives. Now...SOME representatives spend a good majority of their time in the back of state owned limos snorting cocaine and voting 'present'...but the vast majority of them actually bother to vote. And when they do, they typically vote the will of the people.

If you held a national referendum on your favorite cause you would get buried. You should really stick to the way things have been going. Seriously...it will eventually be overturned by the Supreme Court and when it does it will be the law of the land. Until then...
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

1.)Well...see...the constituents...the 'people'...vote for these people called representatives. Now...SOME representatives spend a good majority of their time in the back of state owned limos snorting cocaine and voting 'present'...but the vast majority of them actually bother to vote. And when they do, they typically vote the will of the people.

2.)If you held a national referendum on your favorite cause you would get buried.

3.)You should really stick to the way things have been going.
4.)Seriously...it will eventually be overturned by the Supreme Court and when it does it will be the law of the land. Until then...

1.) weird that doesnt answer the question at all and is NOTHING like a public vote.

but your account of what they are supposed to do is accurate and funny

2.) lose? maybe
buried? never

but im not pushing for a national vote, people dont get to vote on equal rights the poll is just to see how people feel but i would WELCOME a vote because with or without it equal rights for gays is going to be national in my life time easily.

Its also not my favorite clause, its just the one that is winning the most right now and dramatically changing. A week doesnt seem to go by without some small victory in the battles that are going to win the war.

3.) i am but a national vote would scare me one bit, id be fine with it because like i said with or without equal rights for gays is coming.
4.) Yes i know, eventually SCOTUS will grant equal rights for gays nationally

ANyway theres a clear point to my question that doesnt relly involve you, somebody squawked the there were all these public votes on the issue and it lost allllll these times so my question how many states did a public vote to ban it.

but YOU dont have to answer.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

1.) weird that doesnt answer the question at all and is NOTHING like a public vote.

but your account of what they are supposed to do is accurate and funny

2.) lose? maybe
buried? never

but im not pushing for a national vote, people dont get to vote on equal rights the poll is just to see how people feel but i would WELCOME a vote because with or without it equal rights for gays is going to be national in my life time easily.

Its also not my favorite clause, its just the one that is winning the most right now and dramatically changing. A week doesnt seem to go by without some small victory in the battles that are going to win the war.

3.) i am but a national vote would scare me one bit, id be fine with it because like i said with or without equal rights for gays is coming.
4.) Yes i know, eventually SCOTUS will grant equal rights for gays nationally

ANyway theres a clear point to my question that doesnt relly involve you, somebody squawked the there were all these public votes on the issue and it lost allllll these times so my question how many states did a public vote to ban it.

but YOU dont have to answer.
No...what is funny is your continued pretense that the spread of gay marriage bans that began in 1998 to current day and has resulted in bans in 32 states somehow DOESNT represent the will of the majority of the people. But I get it. The facts dont represent what you want, therefore they must be wrong.

1996...0 states with some form of ban on gay marriages. 2012...32
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

1.)No...what is funny is your continued pretense that the spread of gay marriage bans that began in 1998 to current day and has resulted in bans in 32 states somehow DOESNT represent the will of the majority of the people. But I get it. The facts dont represent what you want, therefore they must be wrong.

2.)1996...0 states with some form of ban on gay marriages. 2012...32

1.) currently it factually does not :shrug: thats a fact you cant change and polls prove that fact

2.) yep fear and wanting acceptance from squeaky wheels is an awesome tool.

It funny you want to use history as a argument and ignore the 1000s of things that got accomplished by the drive of a minority or squeaky wheel or people with the most money to push. Nah that NEVER happens lol

Sorry ill stick with facts reality and the poll numbers, many many poll numbers.
Could equal rights lose? yes would it get buried? theres ZERO evidence and facts to support that. :)

i guess you are bailing on the states question too then, thats cool.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

1.) currently it factually does not :shrug: thats a fact you cant change and polls prove that fact

2.) yep fear and wanting acceptance from squeaky wheels is an awesome tool.

It funny you want to use history as a argument and ignore the 1000s of things that got accomplished by the drive of a minority or squeaky wheel or people with the most money to push. Nah that NEVER happens lol

Sorry ill stick with facts reality and the poll numbers, many many poll numbers.
Could equal rights lose? yes would it get buried? theres ZERO evidence and facts to support that. :)

i guess you are bailing on the states question too then, thats cool.
Polls...the fools refuge. Go ahead...put it up for a national vote.
What I am doing is not playing your stupid game. I am posting the facts. From 1998 til current the states have gone from 0-32 laws and constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. In the light of that undeniable fact, your reply is "unuh...thats not what it REALLY means..." Yes...it IS. Without judicial intervention there would be..what...2 out of 50 states that allow gay marriage.

But...but...but the POLLS say.....
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

1.)Polls...the fools refuge.
2.)Go ahead...put it up for a national vote.
3.) What I am doing is not playing your stupid game. I am posting the facts.
4.) From 1998 til current the states have gone from 0-32 laws and constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.
5.) In the light of that undeniable fact,
6..) your reply is "unuh...thats not what it REALLY means..." Yes...it IS.
7.) Without judicial intervention there would be..what...2 out of 50 states that allow gay marriage.
8.)But...but...but the POLLS say.....

1.) AWESOME, throw out evidence you dont like out the window lol
2.) Id have no problem doing that has i said twice in last post and ill repeat in this post especially since with or without it equal rights is coming
3.) facts that have no factully impact to the question

hey i can post facts to, My car is blue!!! thats as meaniful as your facts were to this topic

4.) yes you mentioned that before but have given zero reason why that is a better indicator than many many national polls

5.) nope that fact doesnt bother me at all nor is it unfavorably, actually if you keep up I have said MANY times im very happy those states banned it because its the ban that is going to make gay rights EASIER and already has in states

6.) posting a lie wont help you, i never even come close to doing that i simply asked you how you think that is relevant to my question and more relevant that the polls. But please feel free to make up more failed arguments. it only further exposes you lol.

8.) that doesnt matter to the topic of PUBLIC VOTE which was the question even further proved how legislation as factually gone against a public vote.

9.) exactly because that is the closes thing to public vote

thank you for proving my point and yourself wrong that was awesome!

let me know when you can answer the building up questions now instead of dodging them

how many states banned it by public vote
why is legislation an indicator of how voting would turn out?
better question, why do you think legislation is a better indicator then public polling about the topic?
why is legislation a good indicator since we have factual evidence that legislation has gone againt what public vote as been?

what was that cool line you thought you had?

but but but legislation . . . .

to funny!
let me know when you are ready to answer, so much anger brought on by the fear and or disgust of equality its funny.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

1.) AWESOME, throw out evidence you dont like out the window lol
2.) Id have no problem doing that has i said twice in last post and ill repeat in this post especially since with or without it equal rights is coming
3.) facts that have no factully impact to the question

hey i can post facts to, My car is blue!!! thats as meaniful as your facts were to this topic

4.) yes you mentioned that before but have given zero reason why that is a better indicator than many many national polls

5.) nope that fact doesnt bother me at all nor is it unfavorably, actually if you keep up I have said MANY times im very happy those states banned it because its the ban that is going to make gay rights EASIER and already has in states

6.) posting a lie wont help you, i never even come close to doing that i simply asked you how you think that is relevant to my question and more relevant that the polls. But please feel free to make up more failed arguments. it only further exposes you lol.

8.) that doesnt matter to the topic of PUBLIC VOTE which was the question even further proved how legislation as factually gone against a public vote.

9.) exactly because that is the closes thing to public vote

thank you for proving my point and yourself wrong that was awesome!

let me know when you can answer the building up questions now instead of dodging them

how many states banned it by public vote
why is legislation an indicator of how voting would turn out?
better question, why do you think legislation is a better indicator then public polling about the topic?
why is legislation a good indicator since we have factual evidence that legislation has gone againt what public vote as been?

what was that cool line you thought you had?

but but but legislation . . . .

to funny!
let me know when you are ready to answer, so much anger brought on by the fear and or disgust of equality its funny.
TLDR...but its fun watching you go through your conniptions. Especially the part where you want to pretend I'm 'angry. Hell son...Im having fun. Its funny to me to see you try so hard to ignore the facts.

But...but...the polls! Look at the polls! Ignore the fact that 32 states have passed legislation against gay marriage in the last 12 years. The polls!!!
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

That Obama guy...right up until he decided he needed their votes. What a douchebag he is. Oh...and a WHOLE BUNCH of democrat voters (pastors, etc).

Yeah, that's pretty ****ed up of them.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Really? Does that apply to say, the right to life? Anyone who tries to infringe on that should not be allowed to live. How about freedom of association and religion?

So... by that logic.... the Death Penalty IS a suitable penalty after all!!!
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Yeah, that's pretty ****ed up of them.
Now now. You know you can only think that because you are a racist.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

TLDR...
2.)but its fun watching you go through your conniptions.
3.)Especially the part where you want to pretend I'm 'angry.
4.) Hell son...Im having fun.
5.)Its funny to me to see you try so hard to ignore the facts.
6.)But...but...the polls! Look at the polls!
7.) Ignore the fact that 32 states have passed legislation against gay marriage in the last 12 years. The polls!!!

1.) thats what i thought you got nothing thanks for further proving it
2.) lol you are the only one angry i was laughing and posting facts that actually mean something destroying your opinions.
3.) wait? did you or didnt you read it? make up your mind you say you didnt lol wow you just further exposed your posts.
also you are angry your posting style shows it
4.) good im glad you enjoy ypour posts failing and getting angry
5.) what facts? i have ignored any facts you post not one, in fact all the FACTS you posted i agreed with, they just dont mean what you are tryign to make them mean and thats whats funny and why your post failed and why you keep dodging the questions and crakcign me up.
6.) yep its important to focus on what matter to the actual topic PUBLIC VOTE
7.) why do you post lies, you know the post history is here for all to read right lol i fully acknowledge that, even referrenced it MYSELF, would you like a quote? Why dont you answer the question as to why you think that is more important to public vote? you cant and you wont because you know it makes your post fail.

PLEASE dont stop posting and dodging the questions this is awesome!
FACTS destroy your post again.

let me know when you can answer the building up questions now instead of dodging them

how many states banned it by public vote
why is legislation an indicator of how voting would turn out?
better question, why do you think legislation is a better indicator then public polling about the topic?
why is legislation a good indicator since we have factual evidence that legislation has gone againt what public vote as been?
 
If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:7...

1.) thats what i thought you got nothing thanks for further proving it
2.) lol you are the only one angry i was laughing and posting facts that actually mean something destroying your opinions.
3.) wait? did you or didnt you read it? make up your mind you say you didnt lol wow you just further exposed your posts.
also you are angry your posting style shows it
4.) good im glad you enjoy ypour posts failing and getting angry
5.) what facts? i have ignored any facts you post not one, in fact all the FACTS you posted i agreed with, they just dont mean what you are tryign to make them mean and thats whats funny and why your post failed and why you keep dodging the questions and crakcign me up.
6.) yep its important to focus on what matter to the actual topic PUBLIC VOTE
7.) why do you post lies, you know the post history is here for all to read right lol i fully acknowledge that, even referrenced it MYSELF, would you like a quote? Why dont you answer the question as to why you think that is more important to public vote? you cant and you wont because you know it makes your post fail.

PLEASE dont stop posting and dodging the questions this is awesome!
FACTS destroy your post again.

let me know when you can answer the building up questions now instead of dodging them

how many states banned it by public vote
why is legislation an indicator of how voting would turn out?
better question, why do you think legislation is a better indicator then public polling about the topic?
why is legislation a good indicator since we have factual evidence that legislation has gone againt what public vote as been?
again...TLDR...learn to communicate. How long does it take you to write those silly posts anyway?

32 bans. 0 to 32 in 12 years.

But...the polls!!! Look at the polls!!!
 
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