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    re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm asking you to walk back the "conspiracy theorist" name you called me. Just tell me if I wasting my time and you won't have to worry about another reply from me.
    yes if that offends you of course because that was not my intent or my goal.
    If you are honestly offended you already know i walk it back.

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    re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    and how is a question wrong? never said it was or wasn't a right just asked the question if you could provide the information showing it is which you failed to do so I had to do it for you
    the OP makes it so and then all the posts afterwards. your post, deflections and insults all failed.
    Facts defeated them all.
    anyway feel free to post on topic and vote anytime you like.
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    re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes if that offends you of course because that was not my intent or my goal.
    If you are honestly offended you already know i walk it back.

    am i back in the "circle of trust" now
    Yes, thank you. I've just spent too many hours dealing with conspiracy theorists in the CT forum that believe everything is a planned and concerted effort by the Jews. That's what conspiracy theorist means to me. J, I'm not opposed to SSM and I would not vote against it, however, it did take me some time and thought to reconcile it with my religious beliefs, so I'm also not particularly on board with flaming folks over their religious beliefs, because I understand that aspect as well.

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    re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    1.)Yes, thank you.

    2.) I've just spent too many hours dealing with conspiracy theorists in the CT forum that believe everything is a planned and concerted effort by the Jews. That's what conspiracy theorist means to me.
    3.)J, I'm not opposed to SSM and I would not vote against it, however, it did take me some time and thought to reconcile it with my religious beliefs
    4.) so I'm also not particularly on board with flaming folks over their religious beliefs, because I understand that aspect as well.
    1.) you are welcome.
    2.) by the jews??????????????????????? oh do tell now THATS a conspiracy lol wow, and to think im hardly ever in that forum, damn sounds like im missing out.
    3.) and i have ZERO problems with that at all

    my point was only religious beliefs shouldnt drive one to deny equal rights or empower legal discrimination especially when that person has those rights themselves.

    Basically im just saying how jacked up would it be if people started voting that Judaism is the only allowed religion or that women go back to not voting.
    I simply dont accept religion as an excuse for that in this country as far as VOTING goes.


    now of course people are allowed to believe, teach, preach say what you want but i think its very ignorant and bigoted for people to deny equality. I could never do that.

    not saying YOU would do that just saying in general, i could never deny somebody that based on my religion because i instantly think what if some other religion out numbder me one day and denied me rights? america would no longer be america really quick thats all.

    what i suggest to those people is that they go home and thank god like i do they live in a country where they have the freedom to have their god because in many cases thats not how it is.

    thats all

    4.) me neither over simply having them, its one of our most important rights but many people want to force them on others and those are the hypocrites that need to get it together. and im talkign the extremist not little things.Too many people also pick and choose what beliefs they want to super enforce and what ones "dont really count"

    my religion is for ME and MINE, thats it, it is a guide for me to do right and get to a better place if im lucky

    but to many people use it as a stepping stone of judgement and a tool to look down on others etc. The exact opposite of what religion is for.
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    re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) you are welcome.
    2.) by the jews??????????????????????? oh do tell now THATS a conspiracy lol wow, and to think im hardly ever in that forum, damn sounds like im missing out.
    3.) and i have ZERO problems with that at all

    my point was only religious beliefs shouldnt drive one to deny equal rights or empower legal discrimination especially when that person has those rights themselves.

    Basically im just saying how jacked up would it be if people started voting that Judaism is the only allowed religion or that women go back to not voting.
    I simply dont accept religion as an excuse for that in this country as far as VOTING goes.


    now of course people are allowed to believe, teach, preach say what you want but i think its very ignorant and bigoted for people to deny equality. I could never do that.

    not saying YOU would do that just saying in general, i could never deny somebody that based on my religion because i instantly think what if some other religion out numbder me one day and denied me rights? america would no longer be america really quick thats all.

    what i suggest to those people is that they go home and thank god like i do they live in a country where they have the freedom to have their god because in many cases thats not how it is.

    thats all

    4.) me neither over simply having them, its one of our most important rights but many people want to force them on others and those are the hypocrites that need to get it together. and im talkign the extremist not little things.Too many people also pick and choose what beliefs they want to super enforce and what ones "dont really count"

    my religion is for ME and MINE, thats it, it is a guide for me to do right and get to a better place if im lucky

    but to many people use it as a stepping stone of judgement and a tool to look down on others etc. The exact opposite of what religion is for.
    Believe me, there are plenty of judgmental non believers as well. I think people will inform their politics with their own moral code whatever it's based on and I don't think religion influencing politics is wrong or even different than what everyone else does. Someone here once suggested that religious people not be allowed to hold political office or even vote. Where were you being equally offended by that position?

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    re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    1.)Believe me, there are plenty of judgmental non believers as well.
    2.)I think people will inform their politics with their own moral code whatever it's based on and I don't think religion influencing politics is wrong or even different than what everyone else does.
    3.) Someone here once suggested that religious people not be allowed to hold political office or even vote. Where were you being equally offended by that position?
    1.) oh absolutely! theres no doubt about that, i wasnt trying to imply its one sided at all
    2.) again influence is fine by me just to ruling.
    3.) offened? no
    do i think that view is asinine, retarded and just as bad as the other side extremists? absofreakinlutley.

    that is equally as bad, everybody votes period and theres nothing wrong with anybody who is religious holding office, but just like everybody there has to be an amount of separation.

    the integrity of the office and constitution and rights comes first for that job.
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    re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Thank you. That's added so much. I totally see now why even giving the issue some thought is completely wrong.
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    re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    that was a case for equal treatment under the law and discrimination it wasn't to establish marriage as a right
    Marriage was already a right long before Loving.

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    re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    even when you almost get it right you get it wrong guy, your posting record is stunning
    Your refusal to call out bigotry is stunning.

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    re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Truth hurts sometimes.
    Yes, it does. And the truth needs to be told: opposition to gay rights is bigotry.

    It is moral cowardice to shy away from speaking the truth in this matter simply to be diplomatic. The opponents of gay rights do not deserve to be treated with kid gloves. Their anti-gay attitudes are not worthy of respect.
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