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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    So, all states have what are called "assumed parentage laws" meaning that the spouse in a legel marriage is automatically the legal parent of a child born in that marriage. Father's would not have to adopt their own children?

    While in the military I did multiple tours overseas. Because I was married my wife received command sponsorship meaning that she was given long term entrance to the new country (due to Status of Forces Agreements) and transportation and additional housing was available. Do we tell out military service members "Screw you" you don't have wives and husbands anymore?

    While in those foreign countries do we tell those spouses, "Sorry no medical treatment for you a military facilities - you have no relationship that is recognized." Oh and that applies to the military members children, well unless the military member has spent thousands of dollars to adopt his own kids.

    No more tax free transfer of property to a spouse - spouses won't exist.

    Absent a will, no inheritance for you. Property used to go (absent a will goes to the nearest next of kin) Spouse, Parent, Sibling, Aunt/Uncle, Niece/Nephew. With no spouse (absent a will) no automatic inheritance.




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    I'm in my mid-50's and funny thing is I never heard "get the government out of marriage" until the gheys started getting it.



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    I said the government would not recognize marriages...it does not mean people could not legally designate someone (anyone...a lover, friend, brother, daughter...anyone) as a partner for benefit purposes.

    Marriage tax loopholes/benefits would end. Though they could be replaced with 'designated partner'. Again, anyone you choose.

    And no one would be legally bound to another through matrimony.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I said the government would not recognize marriages...it does not mean people could not legally designate someone (anyone...a lover, friend, brother, daughter...anyone) as a partner for benefit purposes.

    But no one would be legally bound to another through matrimony.
    The most efficient way for people to set up marriage, spousal recognition, benefits for spouses is through marriage. It works the same way as birth certificates.

    The people would still be legally bound to each other, just by a lot more paperwork (legal documents) that they had to pay a crapload of money to arrange. Or, if they can't afford that, they would still have to have some protection from the government for abuses of such a system. We would have people getting together, where one had property in their name and worked, while the other stayed home, took care of the house, the children, possibly having a lower paying job. They break up, and now that person who did all the household work is screwed because people do not think like that, that far ahead and it is not reasonable to think that people will. Instead, the government would be forced to step in anyway and either a) force the money-making person to support/compensate the stay at home person for their efforts or b) the rest of society would take up the slack. Either option is worse than simply having marriage and legal spouses recognized by the government.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I said the government would not recognize marriages...it does not mean people could not legally designate someone (anyone...a lover, friend, brother, daughter...anyone) as a partner for benefit purposes.

    Marriage tax loopholes/benefits would end. Though they could be replaced with 'designated partner'. Again, anyone you choose.

    And no one would be legally bound to another through matrimony.

    You realize that being able to designate anyone off the street with no legal entanglements between then to receive all the current benefits of marriage makes no sense right?


    My wife and I have been married for 27 years and she followed me around the globe putting her career on hold when we moved overseas. The idea that her ability to inherit my half of our joint property and assets tax free is not considered a "loophole" is kind of telling.



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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    You realize that being able to designate anyone off the street with no legal entanglements between then to receive all the current benefits of marriage makes no sense right?


    My wife and I have been married for 27 years and she followed me around the globe putting her career on hold when we moved overseas. The idea that her ability to inherit my half of our joint property and assets tax free is not considered a "loophole" is kind of telling.



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    I realize it makes no sense to you (and probably most others).

    I also realize I don't much care...'cause it makes perfect sense to me.


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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I'd ban all marriages and make every one - past and present - null and void.

    Everyone who is married would legally be single - instantly.

    People can still marry all they want - but the government would not recognize any of them.
    so instead of granting equal rights and protecting rights you would choose to further violate peoples rights.
    LOL no thanks
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    How is there going to be a national vote? There is no such thing.

    I think that the government has NO business in marriage. Period. Straight, gay.

    For MY religion, marriage is a covenant between a man, a woman, and God.

    Since "Congress shall make no law..." it seems to me that it is a clear violation of the separation. Anyway, I do think that society has an interest in regulating contracts and everyone, should they decide could get a marriage license for that purpose. But you should be able to marry in a church without one. No government is mentioned as a ratifier of marriage in my religion.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    so instead of granting equal rights and protecting rights you would choose to further violate peoples rights.
    LOL no thanks
    How exactly is having the government no longer involved in marriage violating people's rights?

    P.S. I am quite sure I am going to regret asking that.

    People can still get married. And there would be no legal obstacle for gay marriage. And every gay marriage would have exactly the same legality as a 'straight' marriage.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    So, if someone dies and then two people claimed to be their sole spouse and thus inherit all their property, how would that get solved? At some point, there would have to have been some kind of legal designation of who is married to whom. There would need to be a court battle to enforce that one of them is the rightful spouse and the other is not. So if you want a marriage to have any legal significance whatsoever, you need them to be "recognized".

    Is this necro just another "marriage should be a religious (Christian, obviously) thing and everyone else has to have something else because religion (again, Christianity) owns marriage" bit? They're getting old.

    Also, I'm pleased to see that despite all of the ugly rhetoric tossed around about this subject, 75% of people would do the right thing. Civil rights still aren't up for a vote, however.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    1.)How exactly is having the government no longer involved in marriage violating people's rights?
    2.)P.S. I am quite sure I am going to regret asking that.

    3.)People can still get married.
    4.)And there would be no legal obstacle for gay marriage.
    5.)And every gay marriage would have exactly the same legality as a 'straight' marriage.
    1.) easy you said"I'd ban all marriages and make every one - past and present - null and void."

    so the hell with their LEGAL contracts they have, lets just void them and have government no longer protect thier rights and thier contracts.

    yes that would factually be violating their rights.

    2.) never regret learning reality

    3.) who protects their marriage contract?
    4.) not sure how this helps your plan to violate rights
    5.) what legality you want to remove government
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) easy you said"I'd ban all marriages and make every one - past and present - null and void."

    so the hell with their LEGAL contracts they have, lets just void them and have government no longer protect thier rights and thier contracts.

    yes that would factually be violating their rights.

    2.) never regret learning reality

    3.) who protects their marriage contract?
    4.) not sure how this helps your plan to violate rights
    5.) what legality you want to remove government
    Oh Jeez...null and void ONLY as far as the government is concerned.

    That does not mean people cannot get married...it just means marriage no longer has any meaning to the government. Everyone would be legally single.

    People are still free to get married and make any contractual arrangements they want within that marriage.

    You would be able to designate another person (any person) of your choice as your partner for matters of government, military, insurance, next-of-kin...etcetera.
    But you would not have to marry them, just designate them.
    And you could undesignate them any time you wish...like designating a beneficiary in a will or for life insurance.

    So, I will ask again, EXACTLY which Constitutional right is being violated by this?


    And, to 3)...their marriage 'contract' is strictly that...contractual. It is only legal in a contractual way (like a rent agreement or a employment contract). A personal agreement between two parties.
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