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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    How does "interpretations to(of?) facts are just wrong interpretations" NOT mean that?

    I read it as you saying that all interpretations of facts are wrong.
    because you took what i said and tried to make it about the philosophy you stated later, im not talking philosophy

    its easy

    what im saying there is FACT, and you understand the fact or you dont, if you interpret the fact in a way that is not fact then they are just wrong interpretations


    example

    1+ 1 = 2

    this is fact in general numbers

    but if interpret this to mean 1 drop of water + 1 drop of water = 2 drops of water, i could then interpret 1 + 1 = 2 is wrong. Because if a put one drop of water on a table and then another drop of water on top of it, more than likely it will combine and ill still have one drop of water.

    But i wouldn't be right, i would have just interpreted the fact wrong and applied incorrectly.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    because you took what i said and tried to make it about the philosophy you stated later, im not talking philosophy

    its easy

    what im saying there is FACT, and you understand the fact or you dont, if you interpret the fact in a way that is not fact then they are just wrong interpretations


    example

    1+ 1 = 2

    this is fact in general numbers

    but if interpret this to mean 1 drop of water + 1 drop of water = 2 drops of water, i could then interpret 1 + 1 = 2 is wrong. Because if a put one drop of water on a table and then another drop of water on top of it, more than likely it will combine and ill still have one drop of water.

    But i wouldn't be right, i would have just interpreted the fact wrong and applied incorrectly.
    I looked at what you said and it seemed to mean X, so I replied to that. I was not attempting to (or do not recall attempting to) force it into a half-joking philosophy I posted earlier.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I looked at what you said and it seemed to mean X, so I replied to that. I was not attempting to (or do not recall attempting to) force it into a half-joking philosophy I posted earlier.
    i guess we both misunderstood then, my mistake
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Um hows that. Maybe you should actually read the amendment. It states in brief that if you are a citizen of the United States you have the SAME RIGHTS as anyone else who is and the government CANNOT impose laws which restrict those rights and priviledges. Also "Christianity" as quoted in the BIBLE prohibits followers of the Anointed one (CHRIST) from bearing false witness, judging others or not loving you fellow man. "Whatever you do to the least of my brethren so you do onto me." Jesus
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    I'd ban all marriages and make every one - past and present - null and void.

    Everyone who is married would legally be single - instantly.

    People can still marry all they want - but the government would not recognize any of them.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I'd ban all marriages and make every one - past and present - null and void.

    Everyone who is married would legally be single - instantly.

    People can still marry all they want - but the government would not recognize any of them.
    Would you do the same for other family relationships as well? Basically completely destroy any family relationships leaving the government to gain pretty much any and all property that the people hold when they fail to write a will? There are plenty more things that eliminating marriage in this country would do than just make everyone legally single. Marriage has existed for thousands of years as a contract of kinship (mainly). Not recognizing marriage does absolutely nothing positive for this country.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    At least we wouldn't have to listen to the gay marriage debate any more?
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Would you do the same for other family relationships as well? Basically completely destroy any family relationships leaving the government to gain pretty much any and all property that the people hold when they fail to write a will? There are plenty more things that eliminating marriage in this country would do than just make everyone legally single. Marriage has existed for thousands of years as a contract of kinship (mainly). Not recognizing marriage does absolutely nothing positive for this country.
    This is nothing to do with other family relationships. I simply suggested to ban the government recognition of marriages.

    Why would it change anything for a happy family? All marital vows could still be honored by those that want to. It is just that the government would not recognize people as married.

    The law has - imo - no business in people's love lives/relationships.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    This is nothing to do with other family relationships. I simply suggested to ban the government recognition of marriages.

    Why would it change anything for a happy family? All marital vows could still be honored by those that want to. It is just that the government would not recognize people as married. The law has - imo - no business in people's love lives/relationships.


    So, all states have what are called "assumed parentage laws" meaning that the spouse in a legel marriage is automatically the legal parent of a child born in that marriage. Father's would not have to adopt their own children?

    While in the military I did multiple tours overseas. Because I was married my wife received command sponsorship meaning that she was given long term entrance to the new country (due to Status of Forces Agreements) and transportation and additional housing was available. Do we tell out military service members "Screw you" you don't have wives and husbands anymore?

    While in those foreign countries do we tell those spouses, "Sorry no medical treatment for you a military facilities - you have no relationship that is recognized." Oh and that applies to the military members children, well unless the military member has spent thousands of dollars to adopt his own kids.

    No more tax free transfer of property to a spouse - spouses won't exist.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    This is nothing to do with other family relationships. I simply suggested to ban the government recognition of marriages.

    Why would it change anything for a happy family? All marital vows could still be honored by those that want to. It is just that the government would not recognize people as married.

    The law has - imo - no business in people's love lives/relationships.
    It has everything to do with family relationships because spouse is a legal family relationship, that once established, is the closest legal relationship that a person can make. In fact, marriages establish more than just two legal relationships of spouse between the couple, but also establish other relationships between the spouses and relatives of those spouses in the form of inlaws.

    Marriage now is a contract that establishes a familial relationship. It is quite similar to the birth certificate or adoption paperwork.

    The most efficient governmental institution is marriage. It can establish legal kinship for many people on just a single piece of paper, the marriage license and it clears up plenty of legal issues without extra legal paperwork being made up for millions (if not more) people within the US.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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