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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    1.)I'm sorry, since you keep claiming this is a "fact"...
    2.) are you suggesting that there are no court cases, laws, and precedence suggesting what you call "equal rights" isn't protected?
    3.)You seem to be cherry picking laws and court cases and proclaiming only those you cherry pick as "facts".
    4.)For example, Sevcik v. Sandoval and Jackson v. Ambercrombie disagree with your claim, that's a "fact".
    5.) Right now there's conflicting laws, court cases, and precedences regarding "equal rights" as you term it...so claiming one part of it as "FACT" is really nothing but over inflating the worth of your OPINION.
    1.) yes i do and will continue to do so since im going off of the most recent court rulings/precedent
    2.) nope not at all, in many places these things havent be challenged and in some im sure theres even older ruling where they didnt rule its equal rights just like there were for women and minorities
    3.) nope only going by the recent ones that actually all say equality/equal rights
    4.) yes im aware of that case that is under appeal I have a tracker that i post around that keeps track of some cases but mostly i mention complete cases or stayed cases. Theres sooooooo much going on on this equal rights front its hard to keep up so i dont post everything and have only really been posting recent updates and or appeals.

    If im not mistaken his claim was that he doesnt view this as heightened scrutiny and even made reference to an older case. 1989 maybe or 90

    Jackson v. Ambercrombie im not familiar with, at least not that i remember that might be the case that along with Sevcik v. Sandoval that the APA supplied backing for equal rights for best on thier medical expertise (if being gay is a choice) but please dont quote me on that as im not sure.

    6.) except my opinion plays no role at all, its simply restating what those court cases stated and that was that it is a discrimination and equality issue thats not my opinion, thats what those cases said and thats a fact.

    now if you like i can start quoting the other cases also and say what ever thier current status is and what state they affect Nevada (Sevcik v. Sandoval being appealed, judge didnt feel sexuality fits higher scrutiny standards) Ill have to look up the Jackson v. Ambercrombie one though because like i said i dont think i know that one unless its the one with a very similar ruling of the Sevcik v. Sandoval case that the APA didnt like and if it was that wa HAwaii where equal rights for gays exist now based on thier Hawaii marriage equality act which was challenged and judged dismissed the challenge and said the bill was constitutionally sound.

    EDIT: wanted to add and make it clear, if i was right about guessing thats the hawaii case i was NOT suggesting that case was eventually ruled on for equality and thats way Hawaii has equal rights, equal rights was obtained in hawaii by legislation, not that case but the bill was definitely based on equal rights and ending illegal discrimination, just didnt want a misunderstanding.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Then there are no facts.
    ah but there are
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Even as I think far too much time and effort are spent on this so-called "gay" problem, it is uplifting that nearly 80% of us favor equal rights...and I am certain this is far better that . . . . -say - 20 years ago.
    We have progressed , and rather quickly...
    We have entered the 20th century, at least 80% of us....
    The other 20% can regress to the 1600s , they are in a shrinking minority..



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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    ah but there are
    Nope, none.

    All just stuff we crazy humans made up to make us feel better, and use to punish and/or ridicule those we don't agree with.


    But more seriously....

    Nothing is absolute (except this statement).

    Thus, all "facts" are subject to change given new information, and subject to new interpretations given a different viewpoint.

    Hell, most of the ideas we base our lives on are only theories.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    1.)Nope, none.

    All just stuff we crazy humans made up to make us feel better, and use to punish and/or ridicule those we don't agree with.


    2.) But more seriously....Nothing is absolute (except this statement).

    3.)Thus, all "facts" are subject to change given new information, and subject to new interpretations given a different viewpoint.

    4.)Hell, most of the ideas we base our lives on are only theories.
    1.)that some neat philosophy
    2.) you proved yourself wrong
    3.) facts can change if info proves them wrong
    interpretations to facts are just wrong interpretations

    4.) i dont know about most thats pretty subjective but yes we do base our lives off many theories
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.)that some neat philosophy
    2.) you proved yourself wrong
    3.) facts can change if info proves them wrong
    interpretations to facts are just wrong interpretations

    4.) i dont know about most thats pretty subjective but yes we do base our lives off many theories
    Everything we do is based off of interpretations of data. Sometimes, said data is factual for certain values of the term.

    You're saying they're all wrong interpretations?

    Everything is based on a lie?
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    1.)Everything we do is based off of interpretations of data. Sometimes, said data is factual for certain values of the term.

    2.)You're saying they're all wrong interpretations?

    3.)Everything is based on a lie?
    1.) correct
    2.) nope never even suggest anything like that
    3.) see #2
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) correct
    Ah, excellent.
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    2.) nope never even suggest anything like that
    You did, right here:
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    interpretations to facts are just wrong interpretations
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    3.) see #2
    Same.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Ah, excellent.
    You did, right here:

    Same.
    nope thats nothing like what you said
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    nope thats nothing like what you said
    How does "interpretations to(of?) facts are just wrong interpretations" NOT mean that?

    I read it as you saying that all interpretations of facts are wrong.
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