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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Your whole argument is invalid because you used "That's" incorrectly!

    That HAS added so much.
    Not
    That is added so much.

    Maybe next time you will not invalidate your very own existence by making such a ridiculous mistake!!!
    Damn it. I lose the internet.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    X-factor's political positions are not based on hatred or bigotry,and he is certainly not a douchebag.

    I am as outspoken against homophobia as anybody, but I am able to distinguish between homophobic bigotry and differences of opinions as to particulars. Perhaps you should learn this as well.
    Thank you, my friend. I don't ever expect anyone to speak up for me, especially when I'm expressing something other or different than the popular sentiment (you do know, though, that you run the risk of guilt by association? ) but I do appreciate it. The really funny thing about it is that I'm not making the argument that several seem to think I am. Even if the concerns I have are 100% legit (and I'm not actually a conspiracy nut ), it still, in my mind, is not a compelling enough reason to deny SSM. I guess I don't get why it's so taboo to even want to have a conversation about it, but it's all good.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well not only that their government, rights and laws are a different system AND and this is the most important part, many people have already tried to sue "churches" for discrimination and already failed. Until the constitution goes away theres just about no danger in "churches" being forced
    Constitutional rights only mean anything as long courts are willing to uphold them. Lately, I've seen a trend that suggests to me that religious freedoms are the ones most readily sacrificed (and with popular support it seems). Personally I think we should be watchful over things like that and pay attention to what's going on. I get that that sounds like crazy talk to you, and that's probably going to be all it ever sounds like to you, so really, I don't see any reason for you and me to keep having this discussion.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Florists are a business, not a religion. It's clearly unconstitutional for a church to be forced to perform gay weddings, but hey, there is almost a decade of data in some states. Can you point to a single church that has been forced? Personally i would take my money elsewhere, but it's not the same thing.
    Very few things are clearly unconstitutional any more. I was struck by this when that Florida pastor made his plans to burn the Quran known the first time and one of the Supreme Court justices (let me say that again, a Supreme Court justice, not a lay person or a conspiracy nut) made comments along the lines of how that may not be constitutionally protected speech. Up until then, I thought it was something we all just understood. The Constitution is only as solid as those applying it and I have concerns.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Very few things are clearly unconstitutional any more. I was struck by this when that Florida pastor made his plans to burn the Quran known the first time and one of the Supreme Court justices (let me say that again, a Supreme Court justice, not a lay person or a conspiracy nut) made comments along the lines of how that may not be constitutionally protected speech. Up until then, I thought it was something we all just understood. The Constitution is only as solid as those applying it and I have concerns.
    True, but If it did happen, it will be in the more liberal states first that already have SSM. That scenario is not coming to alabama anytime soon, unless the couple has a death wish.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    nope i have my facts were pointed out, you keep posting and denying them and failing
    Guess ill just ignore you then.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    We already had a vote in this state and Gay marriage passed by a substantial margin. Of course we aren't Mississippi, Texas, or Alabama.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    1.)Constitutional rights only mean anything as long courts are willing to uphold them.
    2.) Lately, I've seen a trend that suggests to me that religious freedoms are the ones most readily sacrificed (and with popular support it seems).
    3.) Personally I think we should be watchful over things like that and pay attention to what's going on.
    4.) I get that that sounds like crazy talk to you, and that's probably going to be all it ever sounds like to you
    5.) so really, I don't see any reason for you and me to keep having this discussion.
    1.) I agree
    2.) I dont think they are sacrificed at all when it comes to the constitution, are there some nuts out their that want to take my religion and others out of everything? yep absolutely
    3.) I agree it should always be watched but i havent seen anything that runs in the yellow so to say
    4.) no not at all, worded like that it sounds totally logical. It should be watched and monitored there are fringe nut balls out there that are anti-religion everything,, i agree.
    5.) well thats your call but we can always talk about anything you want.

    We simply disagree on where the line is.

    I do think religious freedom/protections should be watched, I do agree theres extremists out there that are super anti-religion and like to cry about things that dont need cried about.

    I do not think "churches" are in any danger at all at being forced to do marriages in this county.

    just different lines IMO

    your religion is mine too by the way if you dont know.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Guess ill just ignore you then.
    that was an option posts ago but you keep posting in my thread denying the facts and topic. Seems the solution to your posting problem and mistake was found, good job.
    When you want to get back on topic let me know.
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    homosexuality is objectively wrong, but because science tells me it is, not politics.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I'm not at risk for AIDS. Gays are.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    I don't vote for same sex marriage any more than I would vote every men's basketball player 6'3" and shorter has the legal right to be a center in men's basketball.
    If the 6'3" men's basketball player has the ability to play center and isn't a detriment to the men's team with his center play, the player can play center on a men's basketball team - but it isn't a right to play center..

    Same sex 'unions' should have all the rights and responsibilites of 'unions' just like everyone else, but Detroit Tiger fans shouldn't have the legal right to be Boston Red Sox fans or vice versa.

    Yeah I know some states' SC judges have ruled otherwise for same sex marriage, but their reasoning isn't valid, and it's ideological. And the majority of American people disagree with the judgement of states' SC judges that decree marriage should be a right for all because otherwise there's discrimination.
    Last edited by cabse5; 10-19-13 at 01:10 PM.

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