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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    If the government is forcing religious institutions to provide HC benefits for abortions and contraceptives against their religious beliefs what do you think the government will do as it regards providing spousal benefits for homosexuals? Or even hiring homosexuals for that matter?

    Is it your turn to buy the tin foil, or mine?
    none of those things have anythign to do with forcing CHURCHES to conduct marriages
    none

    theres no laws, precedence or logic to tie the two together

    churches discriminate everyday because, the constitution says they can and people have tried to sue them and they lost because theres nothing to win on.

    church = religious realm religious rights, rules and protections
    public = equals public realm, public rules, rights and protections

    its the same for ALL OF US

    you are talking apples and oranges

    if you disagree by all means post something that factually connects equal rights for gays to forcing churches to do marriages.
    one factual connection that relates them.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So then you haven't moved on like you claimed. So move on.
    nope i have my facts were pointed out, you keep posting and denying them and failing
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    none of those things have anythign to do with forcing CHURCHES to conduct marriages
    none

    theres no laws, precedence or logic to tie the two together

    churches discriminate everyday because, the constitution says they can and people have tried to sue them and they lost because theres nothing to win on.

    church = religious realm religious rights, rules and protections
    public = equals public realm, public rules, rights and protections

    its the same for ALL OF US

    you are talking apples and oranges

    if you disagree by all means post something that factually connects equal rights for gays to forcing churches to do marriages.
    one factual connection that relates them.

    I'm sorry, you seem to be confused, did I say anything about what you're asking me to defend? No. Please take my post in the CONTEXT it was given. If you can't, than you need not respond. (Since it wasn't directed to you in the first place, you can at least give someone the courtesy of responding to the post, not what you might wish the post to be)

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I'm sorry, you seem to be confused, did I say anything about what you're asking me to defend? No. Please take my post in the CONTEXT it was given. If you can't, than you need not respond. (Since it wasn't directed to you in the first place, you can at least give someone the courtesy of responding to the post, not what you might wish the post to be)
    nope not confused at all, what you quoted was what the discussion was about, maybe you should look at the CONTEXT of the conversation you quoted and you wont make that mistake in the future. You're welcome, glad i could clear up your confusion.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    We live in a more complex world than 1916. Ending government involvement in marriage would mean millions of spouses lose access to modern health care and thousands more would be deported, since they were foreigners. There's also adoption issues. It's a valid argument though that in principle you shouldn't need a "license" to marry.
    Just how I feel. I have no objections and would never fight against gay marriage. We live in a more complex world because that is what we made it to be. No government entity should have the power to say who can or who can't be married.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    that would be a horrible idea
    the legal protections, rights and benefits granted by the marriage contract cant be duplicated. many can with many other contracts but none do the same thing nor are they legaly as binding,

    no thanks i want government protecting my contract, spouse, kids and family

    a will alone cant even come close to doing that
    not to mentions churches have nothing to do with legal marriage or the protections needed for family.
    Today my friend, today. Would I want to go back, no. But if one was getting a divorce, perhaps that would be more simpler. But wait, the church back then didn't recognize divorce. No I just hate having my chain pulled. I will do what I can to help get gay marriages recognized in Georgia, but it is my belief that the federal government has no business telling me or anyone else who can or can't be married, period.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Thank you. That's added so much. I totally see now why even giving the issue some thought is completely wrong.
    Your whole argument is invalid because you used "That's" incorrectly!

    That HAS added so much.
    Not
    That is added so much.

    Maybe next time you will not invalidate your very own existence by making such a ridiculous mistake!!!
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    nope not confused at all, what you quoted was what the discussion was about, maybe you should look at the CONTEXT of the conversation you quoted and you wont make that mistake in the future. You're welcome, glad i could clear up your confusion.
    Oh, you are and now you've compounded it. I did look at the context of the conversation thank you very much and was addressing X Factor's response adding credibility to his position. Providing additional evidence which can allow any sane individual with the ability of foresight to read the tea leaves of how this is going to pan out if the current abominable administration is allowed to continue down its chartered course.

    Unfortunately, you're lack of comprehending this has befuddled you into thinking that this in some way means that I have posted a position in which I have stated to have and you are asking for proof of a "factual" connection. I never said there was a factual connection, that is a tangible, empiric connection. What I demonstrated successfully is there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to go on to draw the conclusions that I have made. My post reflects the inference through circumstantial evidence and says nothing of empirical evidence. Anyone not confused could have come to this conclusion.

    So, as we have now cleared up your confusion on confusion I say can only laugh that you are still confused about who is helping who...

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Today my friend, today. Would I want to go back, no. But if one was getting a divorce, perhaps that would be more simpler. But wait, the church back then didn't recognize divorce. No I just hate having my chain pulled. I will do what I can to help get gay marriages recognized in Georgia, but it is my belief that the federal government has no business telling me or anyone else who can or can't be married, period.
    well since its a legal contract they do but i agree that their criteria is bogus
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Oh, you are and now you've compounded it. I did look at the context of the conversation thank you very much and was addressing X Factor's response adding credibility to his position. Providing additional evidence which can allow any sane individual with the ability of foresight to read the tea leaves of how this is going to pan out if the current abominable administration is allowed to continue down its chartered course.

    Unfortunately, you're lack of comprehending this has befuddled you into thinking that this in some way means that I have posted a position in which I have stated to have and you are asking for proof of a "factual" connection. I never said there was a factual connection, that is a tangible, empiric connection. What I demonstrated successfully is there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to go on to draw the conclusions that I have made. My post reflects the inference through circumstantial evidence and says nothing of empirical evidence. Anyone not confused could have come to this conclusion.

    So, as we have now cleared up your confusion on confusion I say can only laugh that you are still confused about who is helping who...
    wow a long deflection post that fails and doenst change your factual mistake nor does it change the fact my reply was in context, good job! lol
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