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If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

If there was a national vote on equal rights for gays what would you do?

  • Vote Yes - granting equal rights and the right to legal marriage

    Votes: 110 82.7%

  • Vote No - denying equal rights and banning them from getting legal marriage

    Votes: 14 10.5%

  • No vote - you simply dont vote at all

    Votes: 9 6.8%
  • Total voters
    133
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96

chromium said:
When was the last "nationwide vote" on anything? Oh right, never! Anyway a clear majority in every poll supports SSM, so that's a close a consensus as we'll ever get. It is you who is now holding the majority hostage.
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Oh,,I got back up for a glass of water and checked,,,Nationwide vote? Well when O got re-elected,,which did strengthen your agenda a good bit!
 
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Gay Couples Can Now Cash In On Social Security By Getting Married - Forbes

It’s also going to put Social Security into even greater hock. According to table IVB6 of the 2013 Social Security Trustees Report, released in April, Social Security is 32 percent underfinanced, meaning its taxes need to go up, immediately and permanently, by 32 percent or its benefits need to be cut, immediately and permanently, by 23 percent
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

X Factor said:
For most people who are in opposition, it is a matter of sincerely held religious beliefs. You might have difficulty understanding that since most of your positions do not seem all that sincere.
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I sincerely hope that anyone who tries to deny rights to others is denied the same rights.

Sounds fair to me.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll.
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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

shrubnose said:
I sincerely hope that anyone who tries to deny rights to others is denied the same rights.

Sounds fair to me.
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Since I have no interest in remarrying or adopting children, I guess I'm free to deny those rights to gays, according to your standard.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

shrubnose said:





I sincerely hope that anyone who tries to deny rights to others is denied the same rights.

Sounds fair to me.




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Really? Does that apply to say, the right to life? Anyone who tries to infringe on that should not be allowed to live. How about freedom of association and religion?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
Its not just my opinion its a fact. 99% of the time gay marriage has not been approved by the people only by left wing judges.
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California, Judaical
Connecticut, Judicial
Delaware, Legislative
Iowa, Judicial
Maine, Ballot
Maryland, Legislative
Massachusetts, Judicial
Minnesota, Ballot (rejected ban), Legislative (Enacted Law)
New Hampshire, Legislative
New Jersey, Judicial
New York, Legislative
Rhode Island, Legislative
Vermont, Legislative
Washington, Ballot
The District of Columbia, Legislative


15 Legal Entities with Same-sex Civil Marriage
5 enacted by Judicial Action
10 enacted through the Legislative or Ballot Process


In other words only 33.33% have been a result of court order.


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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
How do you explain the 30 some states when a vote was taken voted against it if it was so popular some by huge margins?:confused:
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Your confusing opinions now with votes take in many cases over a decade ago.

Opinions change.


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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
chromium said:
Navy Pride said:
Name me one state where the voters threw out their constitutional amendment......I will be waiting but it won't happen.
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Maine

Changed their minds in 3 years no less. That's how stupid this whole argumentum ad populum is.
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Maine is a blue left wing state....come up with red states.
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Classic.

.......... Ask a question...

.................Get an answer...

.........................Move the goalposts.



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I voted against the ban in my state but I would vote against the the legalization of gay marriage in a national election. It is a state issue and I am tired of California and New York trying to impose their will on the rest of the country whether I agree with it or not.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
I can't I don't no any but there has been 33 some states that define marriage as a union between a man and a woman by national referendum . even you know that.
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I know there is no such thing as a "national referendum", there are no direct votes on laws via a referendum process like there is at the State level.


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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
chromium said:
Navy Pride said:
even the left wing state of Maine (and I define it that way) because every pundit does, I believe would vote down Gay Marriage. There are still a lot of good Christian people there even if you hate to admit it.
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Clearly they would not: "The bill for legalization was approved by voters, 53-47 percent, on November 6, 2012"

Same-sex marriage in Maine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I did not say all states just a huge majority.
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No, that's not what you said. You said even Maine would vote it down, which they didn't. The voted to approve.


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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

WorldWatcher said:
California, Judaical
Connecticut, Judicial
Delaware, Legislative
Iowa, Judicial
Maine, Ballot
Maryland, Legislative
Massachusetts, Judicial
Minnesota, Ballot (rejected ban), Legislative (Enacted Law)
New Hampshire, Legislative
New Jersey, Judicial
New York, Legislative
Rhode Island, Legislative
Vermont, Legislative
Washington, Ballot
The District of Columbia, Legislative


15 Legal Entities with Same-sex Civil Marriage
5 enacted by Judicial Action
10 enacted through the Legislative or Ballot Process


In other words only 33.33% have been a result of court order.


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Come on, man, you must know that using facts to back up your position just doesn't matter when some good, old fashioned hysteria is involved.
 
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Hiram said:
Without a nationwide vote legitimize Gay Marriage,,they as a group, discriminate by burdening the SS system and Taxation on the entire Nation without consensus.
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Without a nationwide vote legitimize Interracial Marriage,,they as a group, discriminate by burdening the SS system and Taxation on the entire Nation without consensus.
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#1 When was there a nationwide vote to legitimize interracial marriage?


#2 Hint - there are no provisions under federal law for any type of direct vote in instituting or changing laws.



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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
Popular vote my left wing friend but we will have to watch the ballots closely or they would do what they did here in Washington stuff the ballot with left wing votes
or like they did in Ohio where democrats over voted by hundred over the registered voters in the County.
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I just posted why the popular vote would win, and you didn't address that. And now you're moving to conspiracies to support your silly beliefs, isn't that not the least bit shocking.
 
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The Mark said:
I don't find it "obvious" that marriage can only be "man + woman". I used to. But then it made less and less sense. So I don't anymore.
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That you've been slowly, over time, brainwashed by gay activists and the media via the incessant barrage of chanting the oxymoronic phrase "gay marriage" remains meaningless to the truth that since the agricultural revolution over 12,000 years ago marriage means only "between a man and a woman as husband and wife" and has never been anything else but that, pocketed violations of such never having the power to redefine marriage any more than calling a cat a dog had the power to redefine the word dog, and that you've been thus victimized is ..

.. Of course ..

.. Meaningless.

The truth of what marriage is, was, and always will be -- between a man and a woman as husband and wife -- remains, unchanged.

As in the past, recent state aberrations that violate definitive propriety will remain limited, and one day in the not too distant future there will be no more "gay marriage" violations of the word marriage ..

.. I assure you. :cool:
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

WorldWatcher said:
California, Judaical
Connecticut, Judicial
Delaware, Legislative
Iowa, Judicial
Maine, Ballot
Maryland, Legislative
Massachusetts, Judicial
Minnesota, Ballot (rejected ban), Legislative (Enacted Law)
New Hampshire, Legislative
New Jersey, Judicial
New York, Legislative
Rhode Island, Legislative
Vermont, Legislative
Washington, Ballot
The District of Columbia, Legislative


15 Legal Entities with Same-sex Civil Marriage
5 enacted by Judicial Action
10 enacted through the Legislative or Ballot Process


In other words only 33.33% have been a result of court order.


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In how many of those cases was that legislation or ballot process made AFTER a court order making SSM legal or making it not illegal?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

clownboy said:
In how many of those cases was that legislation or ballot process made AFTER a court order making SSM legal or making it not illegal?
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You are free to check, might be one or two. For example Vermont in 1999 the Vermont Supreme Court ruled that the state must extend equal treatment to homosexuals, but did not define how that was to be done. The legislature took up the issue and decided on Civil Unions. Such action satisfied the court and the issue was at an end. In 2009 the passed Civil Marriage and it because the law, no court pressure exerted.

There is one of seven, you can find the basics in Wiki.

I'll guarentee you that 99% of the legal entities listed above were not based on "left wing judges".


Navy Pride said:
Its not just my opinion its a fact. 99% of the time gay marriage has not been approved by the people only by left wing judges.
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clownboy said:
In how many of those cases was that legislation or ballot process made AFTER a court order making SSM legal or making it not illegal?
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... and Oregon will probably be the next.

You're voting in 2014, and that's after the marriage licenses were invalidated by the courts in 2004 and last week's court order to recognize out of state marriages.

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brothern said:
... and Oregon will probably be the next. You're voting in 2014, and that's after last week's court order to recognize out of state marriages.
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Meh, I'll still vote no. The state isn't as liberal as our state government believes. Heck, we've had pot legaliztion on almost every ballot for a decade now and it still gets voted down.
 
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Someday someone is ACTUALLY going to read the 14th amendment and say "Oh, ok I get it now". Maybe if SCOTUS did we would not have all this hot air circulating around a non-issue
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

WorldWatcher said:
California, Judaical
Connecticut, Judicial
Delaware, Legislative
Iowa, Judicial
Maine, Ballot
Maryland, Legislative
Massachusetts, Judicial
Minnesota, Ballot (rejected ban), Legislative (Enacted Law)
New Hampshire, Legislative
New Jersey, Judicial
New York, Legislative
Rhode Island, Legislative
Vermont, Legislative
Washington, Ballot
The District of Columbia, Legislative


15 Legal Entities with Same-sex Civil Marriage
5 enacted by Judicial Action
10 enacted through the Legislative or Ballot Process


In other words only 33.33% have been a result of court order.


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Huh? what do you call legislative...As and example activist judges In Iowa approved Gay marriage and in the next election they were fired, kicked out.....The people spoke then
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

wolfman24 said:
Someday someone is ACTUALLY going to read the 14th amendment and say "Oh, ok I get it now". Maybe if SCOTUS did we would not have all this hot air circulating around a non-issue
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Sorry the 14th amendment does not mention marriage be it straight or gay.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

clownboy said:
Meh, I'll still vote no. The state isn't as liberal as our state government believes. Heck, we've had pot legaliztion on almost every ballot for a decade now and it still gets voted down.
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The Liberal area is Portland and the I-5 corridor.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
The Liberal area is Portland and the I-5 corridor.
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we are still waiting for you to list all the states that banned it by public vote and then what the pool results are for those states approving equal rights for gays and then the national poll results.

I wonder why you keep dodging this?
 
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AGENT J said:
we are still waiting for you to list all the states that banned it by public vote and then what the pool results are for those states approving equal rights for gays and then the national poll results.

I wonder why you keep dodging this?
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The states voting down has been posted a dozen times and you know it....Nice try though.
 
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