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If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

If there was a national vote on equal rights for gays what would you do?

  • Vote Yes - granting equal rights and the right to legal marriage

    Votes: 110 82.7%

  • Vote No - denying equal rights and banning them from getting legal marriage

    Votes: 14 10.5%

  • No vote - you simply dont vote at all

    Votes: 9 6.8%
  • Total voters
    133
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
Don't you lefties ever get tired of throwing out those stale old words.
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when the bad guys are losing facts and reality never gets old, its awesome

most Americans want equal rights for their fellow citizens comrade you are simply not among them and your views support discrimination..
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

chromium said:
why don't you just /ignore me like DD so i can mock you behind your back
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Don't take it as a compliment my left wing friend but you don't hold a candle to DD with absurd posts...........He is the only person I have on Ignore and its hard to get there.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

AGENT J said:
states
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Michigan
Ohio
Kentucky
Virginia
North Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
Louisiana
Arkansas
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
South Dakota
North Dakota
Utah
Idaho

vasuderatorrent
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

vasuderatorrent said:
Michigan
Ohio
Kentucky
Virginia
North Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
Louisiana
Arkansas
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
South Dakota
North Dakota
Utah
Idaho

vasuderatorrent
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He knows that... He is just playing the left wing rope a dope when he knows it wrong..........I would have posted them myself but they have been posted 100 times.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

vasuderatorrent said:
Michigan
Ohio
Kentucky
Virginia
North Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
Louisiana
Arkansas
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
Nebraska
South Dakota
North Dakota
Utah
Idaho

vasuderatorrent
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what is this a list of?

I have my own list :)

Gay marriage is legal in the following countries nationally or in certain areas like us:

Argentina
Australia
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
Denmark
France
Iceland
Mexico
Netherlands:
New Zealand:
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
United Kingdom:
United States:
Uruguay

14 states and DC have equal rights:

California
Connecticut
Delaware
Iowa
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
New Hampshire
New York
New Jersey
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington
19 more are in various stages of fighting or establishing a fight for equal rights

New Mexico – is granting equal rights for now and the SSC is going to decided on this month

Court Case(s) in the works to establish equal rights:
Arkansas
Kentucky
Michigan
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
Utah
Virginia

Court Case(s) and Legislation in the works, which ever wins first:
Arizona
Hawaii
Illinois
Nevada
Ohio


Legislation in the works:
Colorado
Florida
Oregon
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
He knows that... He is just playing the left wing rope a dope when he knows it wrong..........I would have posted them myself but they have been posted 100 times.
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please tell me what i know and what that is a list off lol
you already admit you made it up and you didnt know
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

AGENT J said:
Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all
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Can't answer your poll because the way you phrased the answers. I'm not convinced that one cannot be for equal rights and opposed to gay marriage at the same time.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
He knows that... He is just playing the left wing rope a dope when he knows it wrong..........I would have posted them myself but they have been posted 100 times.
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It is kind of hard to have a discussion with AgentJ. AgentJ wins every single argument before AgentJ ever starts. I bet AgentJ has never lost an argument.

AgentJ enjoys the illusion that AgentJ has everything completely figured out. AgentJ doesn't have to listen to anything. It would destroy AgentJ's "winning" record. AgentJ is completely delusional and has no desire to solve problems or have a discussion. AgentJ is a complete pathetic loser with nothing to add to the world. AgentJ is so stupid that it entertains me. I hope to read more of his post. It feels good to be superior to other people.

vasuderatorrent
 
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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

johndylan1 said:
Can't answer your poll because the way you phrased the answers. I'm not convinced that one cannot be for equal rights and opposed to gay marriage at the same time.
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thanks for your answer but you don't have to be convinced, on THIS issue those are the facts.

I question is only about one issue its not a blanket label.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Frankly, I do not find the "because other countries/areas/states are doing it" argument at all telling, on either side of the issue.

What I do consider important is that I cannot personally think of any reason to prevent it.

"because we didn't before" is just dumb.
"because god says no" is unconstitutional.
"because I don't like it" is bigoted.
"because marriage isn't same sex" is also dumb...You can't use one current definition of a word/idea to prove the argument for changing that definition wrong. That's just insane.

In short, while some lingering dislike for the idea exists in my mind, there is no legit reason to prevent it.
 
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vasuderatorrent said:
Good places to vacation.

vasuderatorrent
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They seem rather to vie with Turkey for most puritanical developed areas on the planet. Quite an impressive list of enlightened populations.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

vasuderatorrent said:
Good places to vacation.

vasuderatorrent
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thats what i thought because it most certainly wasnt and answer to the question i asked.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

AGENT J said:
thanks for your answer but you don't have to be convinced, on THIS issue those are the facts.

I question is only about one issue its not a blanket label.
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The problem is that you don't leave room for honest disagreement about the proper roll of marriage in society. There is no fact that suggests that disapproval of gay marriage is an equivalent to disapproval of equal rights.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

johndylan1 said:
1.)The problem is that you don't leave room for honest disagreement about the proper roll of marriage in society.
2.) There is no fact that suggests that disapproval of gay marriage is an equivalent to disapproval of equal rights.
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1.) thats not a problem at all because people subjective opinion of the roll of marriage is meaningless to rights and equality since its a contract.
tell me why your subjective opinion or my subjective opinion has any meaning what so ever to peoples rights, the law and equality?

theres no honest disagreement to be had for "LEGAL" marriage

if you can give me on good reason our opinions matter to others rights ill discuss it

2.) correct because thats not what i said at all

"disapproving" of it is absolutely fine by me

but if you vote to stop it and deny it from others that is factually against equal rights

please dont put words in my posts thats arent there i have made many many posts saying people are free to preach, teach, feel, say, think its wrong and i would defend thats right but actively STOPPING it is against equal rights, theres no way around that fact.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

johndylan1 said:
The problem is that you don't leave room for honest disagreement about the proper roll of marriage in society. There is no fact that suggests that disapproval of gay marriage is an equivalent to disapproval of equal rights.
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IMO, the proper role of marriage in society is to create stable family units mainly for the purpose of raising children in good environments, but secondarily to create more financial stability.

Letting gay couples marry does not, so far as I can tell, affect this role in any negative way.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

AGENT J said:
1.) thats not a problem at all because people subjective opinion of the roll of marriage is meaningless to rights and equality since its a contract.
tell me why your subjective opinion or my subjective opinion has any meaning what so ever to peoples rights, the law and equality?

theres no honest disagreement to be had for "LEGAL" marriage

2.) correct because thats not what i said at all

"disapproving" of it is absolutely fine by me

but if you vote to stop it and deny it from others that is factually against equal rights

please dont put words in my posts thats arent there i have made many many posts saying people are free to preach, teach, feel, say, think its wrong and i would defend thats right but actively STOPPING it is against equal rights, theres no way around that fact.
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Despite what you may believe, in many states and in many types of contracts, not all parties may legally enter into said contracts. Unequal treatment doesn't always mean a violation of equal rights.

If you agree that one may disapprove, but may not vote to disapprove. You have removed right of conscience within the vote, not good.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

johndylan1 said:
1.)Despite what you may believe, in many states and in many types of contracts, not all parties may legally enter into said contracts. Unequal treatment doesn't always mean a violation of equal rights.

2.) If you agree that one may disapprove, but may not vote to disapprove. You have removed right of conscience within the vote, not good.
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1.) good thing i never said that then, any other strawmen you want to use?
2.) wrong again, i didnt question their right TO VOTE i simply identified what the vote factually means. Another failed strawman

you are totally free to vote to turn all women and blacks in to slaves that doesn't change the fact its racist, misogynistic, discriminatory and not for equal rights :shrug:

ALso so you know

philosophically the roll of marriage is interesting to me and worthy of subjective discussion but not in this thread, its meanignless to legal marriage
 
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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

AGENT J said:
when the bad guys are losing facts and reality never gets old, its awesome

most Americans want equal rights for their fellow citizens comrade you are simply not among them and your views support discrimination..
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I am for equal rights to and I believe you already have them....I have said this over and over again but as usual you are not listening and just throwing out you stale homophobe and bigot names when I am neither. Call your hook up whatever you want but don't try and redefine marriage.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I am for equal rights to and I believe you already have them....I have said this over and over again but as usual you are not listening and just throwing out you stale homophobe and bigot names when I am neither. Call your hook up whatever you want but don't try and redefine marriage.
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Who defined marriage in the first place and who gave them the right to do so?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Navy Pride said:
1.)I am for equal rights to
2.)and I believe you already have them....
3.)I have said this over and over again but as usual you are not listening
4.)and just throwing out you stale homophobe and bigot names when I am neither.
5.)Call your hook up whatever you want
6.) but don't try and redefine marriage.
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1.) you factually are not
2.) you are factually wrong
3.) say 25 more times the facts wont change you are factually not for equal rights and they factually dont have them
4.) odd can your quote the post where i called you a homophone and or bigot in this thread? I never did
5.) its not my hookup lol another fail
6.) nobody is redefining marriage this lie always fails, gay marriage is factually marriage.


also ill be waiting for you to quote me calling YOU a bigot and or homophobe in this thread. it never happened.
 
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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

The Mark said:
IMO, the proper role of marriage in society is to create stable family units mainly for the purpose of raising children in good environments, but secondarily to create more financial stability.

Letting gay couples marry does not, so far as I can tell, affect this role in any negative way.
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If the definition of marriage (ie. who can legally enter into the contract), is not unique to man woman relationship, then it is necessarily open to all relationships. From my perspective, that leaves the traditional view of marriage without meaning. If any two consenting adults can enter into the marriage contract, there is no expectation of intimacy implicit in the definition.
 
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johndylan1 said:
If the definition of marriage (ie. who can legally enter into the contract), is not unique to man woman relationship, then it is necessarily open to all relationships. From my perspective, that leaves the traditional view of marriage without meaning. If any two consenting adults can enter into the marriage contract, there is no expectation of intimacy implicit in the definition.
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why would this ever be true since the way it is right now its not open to ALL Man Women relationships?

what logic supports that allowing gay couples to enter just simply busts opens the imaginary flood gates?

sorry that's a slippery slope argument and it never works.


Marriage will always have meaningless because the parties involve make it up, nobody else is in control of it. DOnt you think?

Do you honestly think "i" could influence what you view the meaning of YOUR marriage to mean?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

AGENT J said:
why would this ever be true since the way it is right now its not open to ALL Man Women relationships?

what logic supports that allowing gay couples to enter just simply busts opens the imaginary flood gates?

sorry that's a slippery slope argument and it never works.


Marriage will always have meaningless because the parties involve make it up, nobody else is in control of it. DOnt you think?

Do you honestly think "i" could influence what you view the meaning of YOUR marriage to mean?
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Because there has always been an implicit idea of intimacy in marriage. In fact it is considered fraud to marry simply for the purpose of gaining entry into the country, this is because it is not just a contract between individuals it is a contract between implied intimate individuals. When we remove any implicit idea of what traditional marriage is we render it meaningless. This is a necessary result of a change in the definition.
 
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