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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    1.)so instead of a compromise that will give both groups what they want you rather just dismiss the views of one group all together and be vindictive
    2.)there is no debating with people like you there is no compromise in your vocabulary

    3.) it is either give me what I want I don't give a dam how you feel or you can go to hell

    4.) just like your King Obama
    1.) how does one compromise on equal rights? it is factually impossible to do so, also i dont dismiss anybody thouse people that think religion has anythign to do with this are simply factually 100% wrong. Legal marriage has nothing to do with religious marriage.

    same case for womens rights, minority rights and interracial marriage. there was no compromise then either because its impossible.

    2.) of course there is when there is something that is actually debatable and when there can actually be a compromise, some how you seem to think my opinion or your opinion matters here, they dont. theres no compromise you just want gays not to get legally married.

    3.) feelings are meaningless to equal rights unless of course you think we should listen to the feeling of people who think minorities and women should not have equal rights and be lessers

    4.) and there you have it thanks for making yet another failed post and exposing your biased dhishonest hand, he isnt a king and he cartainly isnt my king. You lose to facts again.

    let me know when you are ready to answer the question.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, I answered it. I would vote NO.
    no your post is a deflection from the OP because you did exactly what didnt matter.
    and i dont see a no vote
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes this is true id say 5 years max before its national
    potentially it could be as high as 30 states in the next two-three years unless SCOTUS acts first
    I agree. But unfortunately my home state will probably be one of the last hold outs. But one never knows.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    is there a right to get married? if so can you link to the law or statute saying so?
    Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Case law.

    Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    if you get rid or the legal recognition of the title of marriage all together from same sex and straight then there is no equal treatment under the law because marriage is not recognized as an equal right under the law only a civil union is
    which factually creates more real problems and solves none
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    no your post is a deflection from the OP because you did exactly what didnt matter.
    No, I answered the poll and addressed the topic. Move on.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) how does one compromise on equal rights? it is factually impossible to do so, also i dont dismiss anybody thouse people that think religion has anythign to do with this are simply factually 100% wrong. Legal marriage has nothing to do with religious marriage.

    same case for womens rights, minority rights and interracial marriage. there was no compromise then either because its impossible.

    2.) of course there is when there is something that is actually debatable and when there can actually be a compromise, some how you seem to think my opinion or your opinion matters here, they dont. theres no compromise you just want gays not to get legally married.

    3.) feelings are meaningless to equal rights unless of course you think we should listen to the feeling of people who think minorities and women should not have equal rights and be lessers

    4.) and there you have it thanks for making yet another failed post and exposing your biased dhishonest hand, he isnt a king and he cartainly isnt my king. You lose to facts again.

    let me know when you are ready to answer the question.
    no rights are being taken away or denied just the process and the title is changed to gain those rights from both parties

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I agree. But unfortunately my home state will probably be one of the last hold outs. But one never knows.
    well that may be true since currently they are even on the list (that i know of)

    13 states and DC have equal rights:

    California
    Connecticut
    Delaware
    Iowa
    Maine
    Maryland
    Massachusetts
    Minnesota
    New Hampshire
    New York
    Rhode Island
    Vermont
    Washington
    19 more are in various stages of fighting or establishing a fight for equal rights

    New Mexico – is granting equal rights for now and the SSC is going to decided on this month

    Court Case(s) in the works to establish equal rights:

    Arkansas
    Kentucky
    Michigan
    New Jersey (Will take Effect Oct 21st unless stopped)
    North Carolina
    Oklahoma
    Pennsylvania
    South Carolina
    Utah
    Virginia

    Court Case(s) and Legislation in the works, which ever wins first:
    ArizonaHawaii
    Illinois
    Nevada
    Ohio


    Legislation in the works:
    Colorado
    Florida
    Oregon
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, I answered the poll and addressed the topic. Move on.
    and you factually ignored what the op saidyou are right nothing to debate this is factually what happened
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    No it doesn't.

    Take the case of Elane Photography (the famous photography case from New Mexico). New Mexico doesn't have Same-sex Civil Marriage, therefore there was no "marriage" title right? Nope, people can still get married and not have a state license. The photographer was in violation of the state Public Accommodation law which prohibits discrimination by private businesses for various reasons: race, ethnicity, country of origin, age, disability, sex, and sexual orientation.

    So even though the state wasn't in the "marriage" business for same-sex couples, the photographer was still breaking the laws of that state.


    The problem (IMHO) ISN'T Civil Marriage laws, the problem is Pubic Accommodation laws where the government mandates business models instead of allowing the market to make the decision.



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    if you get rid or the legal recognition of the title of marriage all together from same sex and straight then there is no equal treatment under the law because marriage is not recognized as an equal right under the law only a civil union is


    Not true, Public Accommodation laws have nothing to do with Marriage Law. For states that provide Public Accommodation laws that protect against discrimination by business owners on the basis of race, ethnicity, country of origin, age, disability, sex, and sexual orientation - the fact that the state issues a marriage license is irrelevant.

    Let's say that a state does away with Civil Marriage altogether - not going to happen, but let's pretend. So this state has no marriage. A business offers floral arrangements for weddings (non-state), or photography services for weddings, or banquet space to rent. Even though there is no legal marriage in the state, the business is still in violation of the law if they discriminate based on race, ethnicity, country of origin, age, disability, sex, and sexual orientation.


    Again, ask Elane Photography in New Mexico, they didn't run into a problem with Civil Marriage laws, their problem was because of Public Accommodation laws.


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