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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    and have those 1200 federal rights that where applied to the title of marriage only apply to the contract of civil union
    why thats dumd. Why go through all that time and wasted money and since theres many many other things those 1200 things 1200 dont cover with other rights and states right what about those?

    its completely asainine to TRY and do that and probably fail because of all the rules, regulations and case precedence already set up.

    theres zero logic in that

    simple grant equal rights and be down with it.

    simply give me one logical sound reason to TRY and do it this way not to mention a reason that is easier and can be quickly accomplished. there are none

    this would create MORE problems, make the system less secure/protected and it would fix nothing, not one issue would be resolved by it.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

    At this point, I'd vote against it just to piss people off.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    1.)it solves the problem from both sides
    2.) gays get the rights they want and the anti-gay marriage crowd are not forced by law to recognize the title of marriage on same sex couples because now there is no legal recognition of the title of marriage
    1.) no it creates a 1000 more
    2.) they arent being forced now just like you arent FORCED to recognize any marriage you dont want to now.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Define equal rights.
    "i" dont get to do that
    laws, rights, the constitution, case precedence etc do that

    but for now instead of deflecting simply go on the set field of marriage.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

    Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

    and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

    so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

    Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
    No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
    No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all
    If this was a national I would probably stay home because of the views on the subject.
    If this was just Georgia and did not effect any other state, I would vote yes.

    Although I have no problem with gays marrying one another, I also feel the national or federal government should not be in the business of determining, telling everyone in the U.S. who can or who can"t be married. that should be between the two who get married. Georgia right does not allow it, but any gay couple in the state of Georgia can go to one of what, 13 or there about states and get married. As time goes by more and more states are recognizing gay marriage.
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    it solves the problem from both sides
    gays get the rights they want and the anti-gay marriage crowd are not forced by law to recognize the title of marriage on same sex couples because now there is no legal recognition of the title of marriage

    No it doesn't.

    Take the case of Elane Photography (the famous photography case from New Mexico). New Mexico doesn't have Same-sex Civil Marriage, therefore there was no "marriage" title right? Nope, people can still get married and not have a state license. The photographer was in violation of the state Public Accommodation law which prohibits discrimination by private businesses for various reasons: race, ethnicity, country of origin, age, disability, sex, and sexual orientation.

    So even though the state wasn't in the "marriage" business for same-sex couples, the photographer was still breaking the laws of that state.


    The problem (IMHO) ISN'T Civil Marriage laws, the problem is Pubic Accommodation laws where the government mandates business models instead of allowing the market to make the decision.



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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    so you are deflecting from the OP, got it
    No, I answered it. I would vote NO.

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    why thats dumd. Why go through all that time and wasted money and since theres many many other things those 1200 things 1200 dont cover with other rights and states right what about those?

    its completely asainine to TRY and do that and probably fail because of all the rules, regulations and case precedence already set up.

    theres zero logic in that

    simple grant equal rights and be down with it.

    simply give me one logical sound reason to TRY and do it this way not to mention a reason that is easier and can be quickly accomplished. there are none

    this would create MORE problems, make the system less secure/protected and it would fix nothing, not one issue would be resolved by it.
    so instead of a compromise that will give both groups what they want you rather just dismiss the views of one group all together and be vindictive
    there is no debating with people like you there is no compromise in your vocabulary it is either give me what I want I don't give a dam how you feel or you can go to hell just like your King Obama

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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    If this was a national I would probably stay home because of the views on the subject.
    If this was just Georgia and did not effect any other state, I would vote yes.

    Although I have no problem with gays marrying one another, I also feel the national or federal government should not be in the business of determining, telling everyone in the U.S. who can or who can"t be married. that should be between the two who get married. Georgia right does not allow it, but any gay couple in the state of Georgia can go to one of what, 13 or there about states and get married. As time goes by more and more states are recognizing gay marriage.
    yes this is true id say 5 years max before its national
    potentially it could be as high as 30 states in the next two-three years unless SCOTUS acts first
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    Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    No it doesn't.

    Take the case of Elane Photography (the famous photography case from New Mexico). New Mexico doesn't have Same-sex Civil Marriage, therefore there was no "marriage" title right? Nope, people can still get married and not have a state license. The photographer was in violation of the state Public Accommodation law which prohibits discrimination by private businesses for various reasons: race, ethnicity, country of origin, age, disability, sex, and sexual orientation.

    So even though the state wasn't in the "marriage" business for same-sex couples, the photographer was still breaking the laws of that state.


    The problem (IMHO) ISN'T Civil Marriage laws, the problem is Pubic Accommodation laws where the government mandates business models instead of allowing the market to make the decision.



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    if you get rid or the legal recognition of the title of marriage all together from same sex and straight then there is no equal treatment under the law because marriage is not recognized as an equal right under the law only a civil union is

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