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What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

What does disability mean and who should get it?

  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    Votes: 23 85.2%
  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
Fiddytree said:
No, the Social Security Administration has repeatedly stated that fraud is an issue affecting 1% or so of payments.
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Post a link.
 
1%? Well thank heavens there's no issue with able bodied folks suckin down free money from Obama's stash
that will leave plenty more dollars for green companies like solyndra
 
ChrisL said:
I must have missed it.
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“Curbing Improper Payments” is the first objective under our 2008-2013 Agency Strategic Plan Goal to “Preserve the Public’s Trust in Our Programs.” When an individual applies for one of our disability programs, we have a system in place to ensure accurate decisions. Each year, we are statutorily required to review at least 50 percent of all State Disability Determination Services (DDS) initial and reconsideration allowances for SSDI and SSI disability for adults. Based on the results of these reviews in FY 2009—the most recent year for which data are available—the decision to allow or continue disability was correct in 98.9 percent of all favorable SSDI determinations and 99 percent of all favorable SSI disability determinations for adults. These reviews allow us to correct errors we find before we issue a final decision, resulting in an estimated $558 million in lifetime program savings, including savings accruing to Medicare and Medicaid. The return on investment has been roughly $11 for every $1 of the total cost of the reviews.

Statement of Carolyn W. Colvin,
Deputy Commissioner, Social Security Administration
before the
House Committee on Ways and Means,
Subcommittee on Social Security

January 24, 2012
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Statement of Carolyn W. Colvin, Social Security Administration before the House Committee on Ways and Means

http://www.gao.gov/assets/590/589681.pdf#page=9
 
ChrisL said:
My link is from October of 2013. Your's is from 2012.
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That's wonderful. Care to explain how this contradicts anything? All I see what you have is Coburn and a lack of corroboration from SSA.
 
keep that government imposed charity a goin'
 
Fiddytree said:
That's wonderful. Care to explain how this contradicts anything? All I see what you have is Coburn and a lack of corroboration from SSA.
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It hasn't gone to trial. I can't believe some of you people are so gullible enough to believe your own words. :roll: Ridiculous. Plenty of people are playing the system.

WASHINGTON – A judge, an attorney and a number of doctors pocketed more than $4.5 million by fraudulently ensuring that disability claimants would receive Social Security benefits, the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs reported Monday.

The committee released a report detailing the findings of a two-year investigation into the Huntington, W.Va., Social Security Office of Disability Adjunction and Review.

The investigation found that Eric Conn of the Kentucky-based Conn Law Firm worked in cahoots with an administrative law judge, who had responsibility for ruling on disability claims. The firm received more than $4.5 million from the Social Security Administration in attorney fees for obtaining disability benefits for thousands of claimants whose claims were improperly granted. Conn also compensated doctors up to $650 per case for signing off on medical opinions supporting claimants' disability applications.
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AngryOldGuy said:
1%? Well thank heavens there's no issue with able bodied folks suckin down free money from Obama's stash
that will leave plenty more dollars for green companies like solyndra
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What the hell does this have to do with any-goddamned-thing?
 
The system needs to be totally overhauled. Now granted, in some of the cases noted, it could have been a healthy individual driving the car of a disabled person, but they're not supposed to be able to use the handicapped spaces unless they are actually handicapped themselves or driving a handicapped individual. There is so much abuse going on out there, I don't think you should get one of the placards unless you are significantly physically disabled that you cannot walk the extra couple of feet and that's just not the case for most of these individuals.
 
it has everything to do with keeping the obama\demonrat slush funds well stocked?
 
Tucker Case said:
The job I just got (and start on Monday) specializes in helping people who are in similar situations to yours, Kori. We house over 100 formerly-homeless people with mental illness, provide mental health therapy and support, and assist them in getting benefits such as disability as well as career training and job placement assistance.

Is there anything like that for you in your area, or are you basically stuck fending for yourself?
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There's a low-income mental health and social work clinic in my area that I am making use of. They do much of the same thing, though their "job placement assistance" is questionable at best.
 
ChrisL said:
My link is from October of 2013. Your's is from 2012. Since then, there have some huge fraudulent discoveries. Did you read my link about the doctors and lawyers that are involved?
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Are you seriously suggesting that from March 2012 to October 2013 we have information about the same time frame which skyrocketed from 1% to 20%, without internal changes to the infamously strict criteria of SSA.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
it has everything to do with keeping the obama\demonrat slush funds well stocked?
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This thread isn't about Obama and it isn't in the partisan bull**** subforum. Do you have anything useful to say, or do you intend to keep wasting all of our time with stupid, simple-minded political slogans that aren't even relevant to what we're trying to discuss?
 
ChrisL said:
It hasn't gone to trial. I can't believe some of you people are so gullible enough to believe your own words. :roll: Ridiculous. Plenty of people are playing the system.
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I seem to recall your words being that the SSA even agrees. They don't. Coburn's accusations are likewise widely criticized for somehow arguing that the demographic change was unaccounted for by previous assessments.
 
Fiddytree said:
Are you seriously suggesting that from March 2012 to October 2013 we have information about the same time frame which skyrocketed from 1% to 20%, without internal changes to the infamously strict criteria of SSA.
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I really think doin' a brisk business committing fraud in these programs will be the only growth industry in the obamanation economy
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
This thread isn't about Obama and it isn't in the partisan bull**** subforum. Do you have anything useful to say, or do you intend to keep wasting all of our time with stupid, simple-minded political slogans that aren't even relevant to what we're trying to discuss?
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is your infraction button broken ?
 
Fiddytree said:
I seem to recall your words being that the SSA even agrees. They don't. Coburn's accusations are likewise widely criticized for somehow arguing that the demographic change was unaccounted for by previous assessments.
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I think that anyone who actually believes that the SS fraud is 1% or below is quite naive to say the least. Your Social Security Disability is running out of money.
 
ChrisL said:
I think that anyone who actually believes that the SS fraud is 1% or below is quite naive to say the least. Your Social Security Disability is running out of money.
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Let's flip this shall we? If the general public hears about waste, fraud, and abuse constantly, but rarely investigates the claims and just takes it for granted, they are much more willing to accept that belief. I nearly always err on the side of skepticism anytime the general public comes up with a platitude. It has rarely held me back in getting to the truth. In this case it is waste, fraud, and abuse of the SSDI program.

Low and behold Coburn's report. It throws up all of the goodies that folks generally too ignorant to bother themselves with fact checking want. Nevermind the fact that most institutionalized knowledge points in the other direction. No, no, we are the ones who are naive...not the ones who don't know any better.
 
Fiddytree said:
Let's flip this shall we? If the general public hears about waste, fraud, and abuse constantly, but rarely investigates the claims and just takes it for granted, they are much more willing to accept that belief. I nearly always err on the side of skepticism anytime the general public comes up with a platitude. It has rarely held me back in getting to the truth. In this case it is waste, fraud, and abuse of the SSDI program.

Low and behold Coburn's report. It throws up all of the goodies that folks generally too ignorant to bother themselves with fact checking want. Nevermind the fact that most institutionalized knowledge points in the other direction. No, no, we are the ones who are naive...not the ones who don't know any better.
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I've seen it myself on more than one occasion. I was an acquaintance of a woman who was actually arrested for. The police came to her home while her and her young daughter were there and arrested her. I had to baby sit her daughter. She was collecting disability and working under the table too. At the time, I didn't know it, but apparently someone turned her in.

If I've seen it that many times, and we hear about it on the news and from others, then it is obviously a problem. Also, it's not just individuals involved. There are lawyers and doctors involved as well, as demonstrated by my link. You can deny it all day long, but it's quite obviously happening and much more than you would think.
 
I think the biggest problem is it's so hard to catch someone. That's why they have those hot line numbers set up for people to call and report.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
if someone is dizzy why is it my problem?
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No one said it was. Is it your problem when someone breaks their back, or loses their limbs, or goes blind, etc. It's society's problem, we look after our own.
 
Doesnt really bother me either way to be honest, I obviously would hope my government caught those ripping off the system but I dont waste my time worrying about it. If someone wants to spend their short stay on this planet by being lazy and collecting checks then thats their waste.
 
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