What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

Rocketman said:

person, not people. I suggested a week of horseback riding and traveling 1200 miles to do it would allow a person to work.

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They could have psychosis, agoraphobia, an intellectual disability, Autism, chromosomal disorders. Any of a myriad of disabilities that allow them to ride a horse, but would make it incredibly difficult to hold down a job. Your attitude is that people with disabilities shouldn't be able to enjoy life, and any time they do, they must not have a disability.

You fail to recognize that people are milking a system that was designed for people that really can't get by without it.

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Tucker pointed out earlier in this thread, people smart enough to milk the system will milk the system no matter what you do, it's people with disabilities that will be affected by any restrictions or cuts.

Fiddytree said:

But you do not know that, do you? No, you don't. You're presuming without adequate knowledge about that individual.

Next, you just dodged most of your posts in the thread that were insulting. Good job trying to back away from taking responsibility.

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Since you are debating with dishonestly in your posts, I will be ignoring you going forward. Good day.

Rocketman said:

75% thinks disability needs an overhaul- no surprise

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That's why I don't trust the average American citizen to make that call, and thankfully, they don't. Most Americans have a lackluster understanding of disability.

Rocketman said:

There are thousands not in wheelchairs:roll:

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Did you read the post I was responding to?

no one should get it

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Includes people in wheelchairs.

spud_meister said:

They could have psychosis, agoraphobia, an intellectual disability, Autism, chromosomal disorders. Any of a myriad of disabilities that allow them to ride a horse, but would make it incredibly difficult to hold down a job. Your attitude is that people with disabilities shouldn't be able to enjoy life, and any time they do, they must not have a disability.


Tucker pointed out earlier in this thread, people smart enough to milk the system will milk the system no matter what you do, it's people with disabilities that will be affected by any restrictions or cuts.

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multiple vacations with 2400 miles of driving round trip would allow anyone to work. Liberal minded people think 40% of this country can support 60% that want to stay at home, we can't.

Cutting fraud out of any program only makes it better for the people that deserve to be on it. Maybe you think we should deregulate the banking industry again so the people that were doing well can continue to do well at the expense of others?

Rocketman said:

multiple vacations with 2400 miles of driving round trip would allow anyone to work.

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A family I know just came back from a roadtrip around Australia, their disabled daughter had the time of her life. If you thrust her into a workplace crowded with strangers, she would shut down and not be able to function. Your willful ignorance doesn't mean you're correct.

Cutting fraud out of any program only makes it better for the people that deserve to be on it.

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If you only cut fraud.

One person's inability to function is justification to enslave the entire productive functional population of the nation.
A definition of altruism or insanity not sure which...

spud_meister said:

A family I know just came back from a roadtrip around Australia, their disabled daughter had the time of her life. If you thrust her into a workplace crowded with strangers, she would shut down and not be able to function. Your willful ignorance doesn't mean you're correct.


If you only cut fraud.

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Did she drive 2400 miles and ride horses all week in the mountain trails, feeding them, removing the saddles and bedding them down?

Your willfull disregard for the thread title and information posted in the first post makes this comment asinine.

Her disability entitles her to a portion of your paycheck Rocky
this socialist nightmare isn't going away
you need to find a way to make yer money off the books and git yerself on the disability
gravy train dude

Rocketman said:

Did she drive 2400 miles and ride horses all week in the mountain trails, feeding them, removing the saddles and bedding them down?

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She would be more than capable of doing all that with her family nearby and not too many strangers.

Your willfull disregard for the thread title and information posted in the first post makes this comment asinine.

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You said you saw a guy going on a trip, who was disabled. That not impossible, there's lots of thing that could make a guy unable to work but not preclude him from riding a horse.

spud_meister said:

If you only cut fraud.

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yeah mang that can't be allowed because the whole concept
that you should redistribute income is a fraud and even you commies know it?

Rocketman said:

75% thinks disability needs an overhaul- no surprise

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The above means what? What is the source? What were the survey questions? Seventy five percent of whom?

Rocketman, you seem to have a penchant for unfounded and meaningless statements. Do you verify anything yourself or do you simply pick statements you like and claim them to be factual?

spud_meister said:

She would be more than capable of doing all that with her family nearby and not too many strangers.


You said you saw a guy going on a trip, who was disabled. That not impossible, there's lots of thing that could make a guy unable to work but not preclude him from riding a horse.

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Lots of things mean nothing. He brags about milking the system, guess you missed that post. He works labor jobs for cash all over town. He is a **** bag, end of story

Risky Thicket said:

The above means what? What is the source? What were the survey questions? Seventy five percent of whom?

Rocketman, you seem to have a penchant for unfounded and meaningless statements. Do you verify anything yourself or do you simply pick statements you like and claim them to be factual?

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THE POLL AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD!:lamo

spud_meister said:

They could have psychosis, agoraphobia, an intellectual disability, Autism, chromosomal disorders. Any of a myriad of disabilities that allow them to ride a horse, but would make it incredibly difficult to hold down a job. Your attitude is that people with disabilities shouldn't be able to enjoy life, and any time they do, they must not have a disability.



Tucker pointed out earlier in this thread, people smart enough to milk the system will milk the system no matter what you do, it's people with disabilities that will be affected by any restrictions or cuts.

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Autism is an interesting one, I have been doing some reading on it because of a character in a show who was highly functional autistic, and they are a good example. Could look and at times act perfectly healthy and employable, but many are completely unemployable. Most are familiar with autism from shows where parents deal with a young child with autism and the show focuses on the parents. Those young kids do grow up though.

Yeah Rocky why in the hell do you think you've a right to the fruits of your labors?
Doncha know these disabled folks are another excuse to make you a slave to the State?
Where is your compassion for these faceless nameless disabled kiddies? (do it for the children)
Isn't the supposed need of an autistic child more than enough to keep you in chains all your life
handing over more than half of your paycheck to a bankrupt government?

hah just you wait n see you commies
the guys that are like Rocket that whine n moan about being taxed into the lower classes
who have this creeping sensation that they are saps for working while others go on vacation on their dime
who because of their value system couldn't imagine going on the dole

they will get old and have their hands out too

and the younger generation is going to look at all this and say: Hell No
can't you see where its inevitably going to end up?
where these things always end up?

This thread needs a bunch of mindless political cliches. Whoever could supply that for us.

AngryOldGuy said:

Yeah Rocky why in the hell do you think you've a right to the fruits of your labors?
Doncha know these disabled folks are another excuse to make you a slave to the State?
Where is your compassion for these faceless nameless disabled kiddies? (do it for the children)
Isn't the supposed need of an autistic child more than enough to keep you in chains all your life
handing over more than half of your paycheck to a bankrupt government?

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AngryOldGuy said:

hah just you wait n see you commies
the guys that are like Rocket that whine n moan about being taxed into the lower classes
who have this creeping sensation that they are saps for working while others go on vacation on their dime
who because of their value system couldn't imagine going on the dole

they will get old and have their hands out too

and the younger generation is going to look at all this and say: Hell No
can't you see where its inevitably going to end up?
where these things always end up?

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Oh, well that got taken care of...

AngryOldGuy said:

Yeah Rocky why in the hell do you think you've a right to the fruits of your labors?
Doncha know these disabled folks are another excuse to make you a slave to the State?
Where is your compassion for these faceless nameless disabled kiddies? (do it for the children)
Isn't the supposed need of an autistic child more than enough to keep you in chains all your life
handing over more than half of your paycheck to a bankrupt government?

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And yet many of the disabled need the government in order to achieve independence. The libertarian/objectivist philosophy is a tremendous rejection of reality.

sry buddy if you are trying to appeal to my compassion as a means to enslave
me and tens of millions of other Americans, we are not that silly

yes without the government forcibly redistributing wealth people will perish
sounds not only silly but downright sad that there's anyone that would buy into such bollocks?

Redress said:

Oh, well that got taken care of...

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wow I'm feeling so pwned right about now?

Fiddytree said:

And yet many of the disabled need the government in order to achieve independence. The libertarian/objectivist philosophy is a tremendous rejection of reality.

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They'll never get it. The libertarians simply don't understand that they will pay anyway, whether through taxes or through other means. It's the price of living in a modern first-world nation. They're just bitching about having to pay the price of admission.

AngryOldGuy said:

sry buddy if you are trying to appeal to my compassion as a means to enslave
me and tens of millions of other Americans, we are not that silly

yes without the government forcibly redistributing wealth people will perish
sounds not only silly but downright sad that there's anyone that would buy into such bollocks?

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What do you suppose would happen to them?

So I've been thinkin' on this and how to corral my opinion into an answer. Obviously some disabilities none of us would argue, others seem like, well yeah, they are disabilities but they are one's you should be able to overcome through medical/psychological help or education. So I guess if I were to suggest a solution rather than trying to put some ideal of a line in stone that there will always be some circumstance that needs to come over that line, either direction, I think there is a solution that might work regardless of where the line is. Simply have temporary disability. Okay, so you're a quadriplegic or such, permanent. But things like back injuries to depression, make them temporary and generous enough to allow for re-education wherein that extra generosity must go directly to the educator upon enrollment with milestones required.

Here's what I see that sort of bugs me but ....
Well I know a woman in Boise who gets disability because she had severe depression (yeah, right) because she worked at IDT. So I see her taking a walk in front of my house and I go out and visit with her, and she's not f'ing depressed. She thrilled, never have to work again, etc. I wanted to bitchslap her.
Now I'm not saying that decades at the highly energized and poitical IDT didn't cause severe depression, but clearly she was over it, and should be back to a job, just not that job.
I even believe that she should have had the time to recover before she had to find another job, hence temporary disability.

I don't see how this can't be expanded to nearly all disabilities that fall into those questionable areas. Clearly an adult with a brain injury, or mental incapacity, those that can't be mobile at all, those whose pain can't be controlled (ie you never really see them in such as light as to think they're having fun), too old to be retrained for a job with a livable wage, well those still get permanent. Everything else gets temporary and has to be renewed with top lifetime limits.

Anyway, that's my hairbrained idea.

AngryOldGuy said:

sry buddy if you are trying to appeal to my compassion as a means to enslave
me and tens of millions of other Americans, we are not that silly

yes without the government forcibly redistributing wealth people will perish
sounds not only silly but downright sad that there's anyone that would buy into such bollocks?

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Conservatives and libertarians uphold the viewpoint that it is better if you teach a man how to fish than give him fish. Libertarians and conservatives argue that to do otherwise enslaves that person to the state and makes him/her less independent. The truth of the matter is, without government aid and services, that same individual is much more likely to be impoverished, dependent, and insulated from the community. For instance, there is no way my brother could have lived in an apartment or have a job without government aid and services. His job (aided with government money and service) matched with SSI benefits allow him to be more independent and productive in society. Had we listened to the libertarians and many conservatives, we would have undermined that conservative value of independence and productivity, and my own brother would be forced to be even more dependent upon our family, and ever so unlikely to have competitive employment. That's the way it is.