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What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

What does disability mean and who should get it?

  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    Votes: 23 85.2%
  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
Juanita said:
SS Disability is administered by the states....In most states, you file, you see "their" doctors, you go before a Judge.....It is a long and difficult process.. Most people are denied the first time around.. Appeals are filed--more doctors and more Judges...They are not stupid or easily fooled.....
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Right, that is why there are so many commercials trying to get more people on it.
 
Rocketman said:
I understand what you are saying. I wanted to give you a like and couple more in this thread, for some reason I can't tonight. Do you have any idea why?
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If you just posted, you can't give "likes" until you've reloaded the page.
 
DVSentinel said:
VA rates upon physical disabilities and employability.

He is 100% due to employability, around 70% otherwise.
I'm 100% due to physical problems, no employability rating. So, since I haven't actually applied for Social Security benefits, I could take a job if I was able to find one I was capable of doing and it would not affect my VA disability.

The lower part of his left leg, below the knee, was shot off in an accident while in the Army. His right leg was severely injured also but the saved it by fusing the bones in his right ankle. Because he cannot move either ankle, he actually appears to walk fairly normal or at least he did before age/time started causing more problems related to his accident, like the fused bone breaking and not being able to heal because the fusing process killed the bone. After getting out of the army, he drove truck for most of his life. Then the government wanted to regulate overall instead of relying on individual states to regulate trucking and created the national licensing called a CDL to curb abuses. At the time they did it, there was no waiver for artificial limbs. If you had one, you couldn't have a CDL. I don't know if it is still that way or not. But because he was too old, he could not get vocational retraining either, he was too close to retirement age. His job wasn't taken away due to the job market, it was taken away by the government. Luckily, he was able to get an upgrade from the VA due to employability.
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Good story.

I wonder how many in Congress or the DOT actually drove a truck who were behind these DOT regulations ?

Did you know that Obama almost appointed former L.A. Mayor ("We clean your toilets") Antonio (Reconquista) Villaraigosa as Secretary of Transportation.
What the #### does he know about logistics of moving freight and trucks, ships, planes and locomotives and highways, ports and lot lizards at a truck stop ?

Basicaly a disabled vet who was able to hold down a job and drive a truck was forced by the government to stop working and go on full disability.
 
Juanita said:
SS Disability is administered by the states....In most states, you file, you see "their" doctors, you go before a Judge.....It is a long and difficult process.. Most people are denied the first time around.. Appeals are filed--more doctors and more Judges...They are not stupid or easily fooled.....
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I've personally known several people who were collecting disability and did not need to be, and it was QUITE obvious that these people were quite capable of working, at least part-time. Our country has become a nation of weaklings who want everything handed to them for nothing in return. I'm not saying that ALL people who are collecting don't need it. My mom gets it because she has MS. SHE really needs it. She is incapable of working and it's not because she's "sad" either.
 
Rocketman said:
Intent can't be determined in emails or on a message board. Those insecurities are on you. I made no such comment about the disabled. SO again do you have a reading problem still?
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Aside from your insulting approach to dealing with SSDI recipients (ADA beneficiaries, and God knows what else), you intentionally connected my interpretation of your post with qualifying for benefit. Then on top of that you added the victim line, and we both know your disparaging connotation of that word. In fact, you're still using it right now, while claiming you are not.
 
ChrisL said:
I've personally known several people who were collecting disability and did not need to be, and it was QUITE obvious that these people were quite capable of working, at least part-time. Our country has become a nation of weaklings who want everything handed to them for nothing in return. I'm not saying that ALL people who are collecting don't need it. My mom gets it because she has MS. SHE really needs it. She is incapable of working and it's not because she's "sad" either.
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I know two people with MS and have no issue that they are both on it. Their lives have been very challenging over the years as they watched their abilities deteriorate
 
Fiddytree said:
Aside from your insulting approach to dealing with SSDI recipients (ADA beneficiaries, and God knows what else), you intentionally connected my interpretation of your post with qualifying for benefit. Then on top of that you added the victim line, and we both know your disparaging connotation of that word. In fact, you're still using it right now, while claiming you are not.
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Why have a poll if you are not hoping to get sense of how people feel? The only option that addressed a possible disability had to do with pain. Christopher Reed felt no pain - so guess he was not disabled.

geesh
 
rjay said:
Why have a poll if you are not hoping to get sense of how people feel? The only option that addressed a possible disability had to do with pain. Christopher Reed felt no pain - so guess he was not disabled.

geesh
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Of course he felt pain, emotional pain. damn
 
rjay said:
Why have a poll if you are not hoping to get sense of how people feel? The only option that addressed a possible disability had to do with pain. Christopher Reed felt no pain - so guess he was not disabled.

geesh
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Well gee, I think it's a given that a paralyzed person can't work. :roll: I think he's trying to say, people you see out in their yards, doing yard work, working on their vehicles, all kinds of other things.
 
Fiddytree said:
Do you adopt that same attitude towards Jew insults, black insults, and so on?
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Oh lord, do you have the same insecurites with everyone?
 
ChrisL said:
Well gee, I think it's a given that a paralyzed person can't work. :roll: I think he's trying to say, people you see out in their yards, doing yard work, working on their vehicles, all kinds of other things.
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I am amazed at the extremism that threads like this bring out.
 
Rocketman said:
Oh lord, do you have the same insecurites with everyone?
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Yes. I have the audacity to think if we shouldn't have to tolerate anti-semitism, then we shouldn't tolerate ableism either.
 
Fiddytree said:
Yes. I have the audacity to think if we shouldn't have to tolerate anti-semitism, then we shouldn't tolerate ableism either.
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which has nothing to do with this thread. Funny how you only see what you want to see.
 
Rocketman said:
I am amazed at the extremism that threads like this bring out.
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I'm just surprised that more people, ESPECIALLY those who are legitimately disabled, are not sickened by the fraudsters.
 
ChrisL said:
I'm just surprised that more people, ESPECIALLY those who are legitimately disabled, are not sickened by the fraudsters.
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I know, many here assume that all of them are legit. Makes one wonder.
 
ChrisL said:
Well gee, I think it's a given that a paralyzed person can't work. :roll: I think he's trying to say, people you see out in their yards, doing yard work, working on their vehicles, all kinds of other things.
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Oh, which poll option should I pick for the paralyzed person then?

None - there isn't one. Which is my point - stupid troll poll
 
year2late said:
Ooops.
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Ooops indeed. :liar

APACHERAT also might explain why he supposes this guy with the ADA card would choose to load his truck with all of those nonexistent 100 pound bags of concrete in a handicapped parking spot rather than in the loading zone, which is much closer to the exit door than the parking spots at any Home Depot.

Lesson: If you are going to totally fabricate an anecdotal story about some "guy" you say you saw this morning to back your arguments on an internet forum, be as vague as possible. :mrgreen:
 
rjay said:
Oh, which poll option should I pick for the paralyzed person then?

None - there isn't one. Which is my point - stupid troll poll
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I would just pick the pain one. It's not like they're exactly comfortable.
 
Rocketman said:
which has nothing to do with this thread. Funny how you only see what you want to see.
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Oh, on the contrary. It shapes everything about this thread. Without knowing people, you presume to know their entire medical history, even though you are not taking part in their medical evaluations, nor do you have any professional qualifications. You operate on stereotypes and you think of the disabled as leeches. Anyone who thinks that is insulting is being a baby.
 
Fiddytree said:
Oh, on the contrary. It shapes everything about this thread. Without knowing people, you presume to know their entire medical history, even though you are not taking part in their medical evaluations, nor do you have any professional qualifications. You operate on stereotypes and you think of the disabled as leeches. Anyone who thinks that is insulting is being a baby.
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I think the examples given are just that, examples. There IS fraud in the system, and it's quite common.
 
Fiddytree said:
Yes. I have the audacity to think if we shouldn't have to tolerate anti-semitism, then we shouldn't tolerate ableism either.
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I am not aware of people faking being Jewish to sue for anti semiticism

I have personally seen people fake disability and use that to sue

a case I recall involved a guy telling everyone he had lots of sick leave and he needed to use it

In November about 8 years ago he calls his boss and asks when he last worked a certain area

she said October say 12th. He said I got hurt then. so she told him to come in and fill out paperwork

another supervisor took the report and said they would accommodate his injury. He said he couldn't do ANY work including sitting. due to his 3 week tardiness in reporting and his comments about using sick leave an investigation was launched. films of this guy going to gambling boats and sitting for four hours, flying to vegas etc, carrying luggage. he was fired and he sued. the union grievance process brought him back but he still sued. The trial judge ruled he was not disabled and the circuit court of appeals sustained that dismissal. He wasted about 200K in attorney fees (his side) and about 175 on the other side
 
Fiddytree said:
Oh, on the contrary. It shapes everything about this thread. Without knowing people, you presume to know their entire medical history, even though you are not taking part in their medical evaluations, nor do you have any professional qualifications. You operate on stereotypes and you think of the disabled as leeches. Anyone who thinks that is insulting is being a baby.
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Guess you didn't read my reply to ChrisL which shows your post above is another outright lie. You are getting good at that.
 
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