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What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

What does disability mean and who should get it?

  • who cares, it is unmanagable

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Sorry about your loss. I have alot of respect for people like you that always see the rainbow or white lining.

Just to be clear, I didn't actually lose the use of my legs, that was just a hypothetical.
 
Just to be clear, I didn't actually lose the use of my legs, that was just a hypothetical.

oH, still there are many handicapped people that work today. We have several in my company. To see someone like this morning is disgusting.
 
oH, still there are many handicapped people that work today. We have several in my company. To see someone like this morning is disgusting.

I agree. I have zero respect for people who abuse the disability system.
 
irrelevant, doctors like getting paid, now address the thread

He did address the thread. He addressed what is at the very heart of this thread. You are not qualified to determine if anyone's claims of being disabled are legitimate unless 1- you are a medical profession 2- you have access to their records. So you can jump up and down about the cheaters all you want but your observations and judgments alone do not substantiate your claim.
 
I met another "disabled person" this morning that was loading up for a week trip to go horseback riding in Missouri. How disabled could that person really be, horses are alot of trouble and require high amounts of physical labor for care.

It is becoming sickening seeing these types basically on early retirement while the rest of us work.

Not your call, you aren't the doctor, you don't know their disability. Not all disabilities are easy to spot, trust me, I've had to deal with hundreds of ADA and ADAAA accommodations over the years, it's not your call, not your business, don't be the snoopy neighbor that passes judgement without all the facts.
 
Was he by himself or possibly have a disabled passenger. It doesn't have to be the driver that disabled.

He was by himself and was the driver.

I see this all of the time at Home Depot and building materials dealers.

I see cars parked with disability plates or place cards where only those go to climb the sides of mountains.


Here in California if you have a blue disability place card on your car your exempt from putting money in a parking meter. If your city bans overnight parking on the streets, you're exempt.

The entire ADA needs to be rewritten. It's full of abuse and fraud.

But can you name one liberal feel good law or entitlement that isn't full of abuse and fraud ?
 
Look, if I had someone randomly come up to me and claim that I did not deserve the accommodations or benefits I receive under a completely different program or institution (as I never applied for this program, but have for others), because I did not "look" disabled to them, I would tell them to "get f*cked."

Wouldn't you agree that there are many jobs out there that are less physically and mentally demanding than riding a horse?
 
I met another "disabled person" this morning that was loading up for a week trip to go horseback riding in Missouri. How disabled could that person really be, horses are alot of trouble and require high amounts of physical labor for care.

It is becoming sickening seeing these types basically on early retirement while the rest of us work.

I will say that case doesn't seem pass the sniff test.

It's like that guy I saw this morning at the Home Depot parked in the handicap zone with one of those blue ADA cards hanging from his rear view mirror who was loading 16, 100 pound bags of concrete into the back of his pick-up truck.

I will say you have to watch your judgment with the placards. I have been mouthed off at several times (plus countless awful looks). I will park in a handicapped spot, help my into the store with her oxygen and get her set up on a motorized scooter. I finish up my shopping so I can hurry back into the store and help my mom back to the car. That is when I get mouthed off at. One gal actually waited at my parking spot to make sure I came out with my aged mobility impaired supplemental oxygen using mother. At least she could apologize.:lamo

You also don't have their medical records.

I agree, but on some level we have to acknowledge that there are many more people on disability than need to be - gaming the system.

But I do suppose the person in the OP could have been in the terminal stages of cancer doing his bucket list.
 
Why can't they maintain a job? mowing climbing on the house, changing the oil is all intensive labor, can't work?

Again, you likely do not know why that person qualified for SSDI and you are not in that position to make the determination. Just because they are disabled doesn't mean that they have to shut themselves in their homes and have someone care for them in every menial task.
 
He was by himself and was the driver.

I see this all of the time at Home Depot and building materials dealers.

I see cars parked with disability plates or place cards where only those go to climb the sides of mountains.


Here in California if you have a blue disability place card on your car your exempt from putting money in a parking meter. If your city bans overnight parking on the streets, you're exempt.

The entire ADA needs to be rewritten. It's full of abuse and fraud.

But can you name one liberal feel good law or entitlement that isn't full of abuse and fraud ?

How do you know "he was by himself"? Did you follow him everywhere? Did you see him park and see him leave?

Then how do you know he doesn't have something that has nothing to do with his strength? Heck, it could easily be MS, which is actually something that has good days and bad days. Or it could be something like that golfer had, the one that couldn't walk far or he took a high chance of getting blood clots in his legs.
 
Wouldn't you agree that there are many jobs out there that are less physically and mentally demanding than riding a horse?

Greetings, JC! :2wave:

Horseback riding is fun! Not too many jobs offer that benefit! :mrgreen:
 
I agree, but on some level we have to acknowledge that there are many more people on disability than need to be - gaming the system.

But I do suppose the person in the OP could have been in the terminal stages of cancer doing his bucket list.

I already acknowledged that there is an issue (I won't agree with the quantification since apparently it may account for less than 1%), but I won't back down. Americans are under the presumption that disabled people ought to look, talk, act, and think a certain way, otherwise they are faking it. Worse yet, they may even acknowledge that their behavior is legitimate but somehow don't deserve anything that the law provides. The "milking the system" and "lazy" rhetoric has been part of this country's presumption about people with disabilities for well over a century and a half.
 
Greetings, JC! :2wave:

Horseback riding is fun! Not too many jobs offer that benefit! :mrgreen:

That's okay, apparently you can go on disability and ride to your hearts content :lol:

Evening Pg :2wave:
 
That's okay, apparently you can go on disability and ride to your hearts content :lol:

Evening Pg :2wave:

It was said of my maternal grandmother that if she ever sat down, she'd probably die from boredom. I was told by my family that I appeared to be a lot like her! :mrgreen: :2bow:
 
A person is disabled to a greater or lesser degree when physical or mental attributes outside of their control cause them to be less or uncompetitive in the job market.

I like this definition but... I have a friend who met this requirement. His diagnosis: morbid obesity. He spent a good deal of time stuffing his face. You couldn't talk him into eating fresh fruit and raw vegetables. No, it had to be fried chicken, cheese burgers and his absolute favorite..pizza!

He got up to 560lbs. Nobody would hire him for a job. A big reason was he was so fat he couldn't reach to clean himself properly. To people with sensitive noses, the odor was line nothing else. The best I can describe it; regular BO, dirty socks, dirty toilet and cologne mixed together. You could smell him coming down the hall and if he sat down, the odor lingered for a couple of hours after he left. Speaking of sitting down, it was common that chairs and sofas would eventually break anywhere he frequented often. Any employer would need to absorb to cost of replacing furniture several times a year.

He eventually got bariacric surgery and dropped all but about 350lbs and coud work again.

But what do with do its people who's disabilities are self-induced? Did my friend have a "disease?" What about alcoholism or drug addiction? Is it right to deprive their kids of food and shelter because their parents are experiencing failure? And if we don't "help" them are we creating a more expensive crime proble when they start shoplifting and engaging in other criminal enterprises to support themselves? Then their way more expensive incarceration becomes a taxpayer burden?
 
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I will say that case doesn't seem pass the sniff test.



I will say you have to watch your judgment with the placards. I have been mouthed off at several times (plus countless awful looks). I will park in a handicapped spot, help my into the store with her oxygen and get her set up on a motorized scooter. I finish up my shopping so I can hurry back into the store and help my mom back to the car. That is when I get mouthed off at. One gal actually waited at my parking spot to make sure I came out with my aged mobility impaired supplemental oxygen using mother. At least she could apologize.:lamo



I agree, but on some level we have to acknowledge that there are many more people on disability than need to be - gaming the system.

But I do suppose the person in the OP could have been in the terminal stages of cancer doing his bucket list.

Year2Late, you're a woman, were you into riding horses ?

I can't see how anyone with a physical disability could go on a week long horseback ride let alone one hour.
Riding a horse is exercise. My X had horses and when I was at the peak in my life of being in physical shape I discovered muscles I didn't know I had when I had to ride all over Palos Verdes.
 
Year2Late, you're a woman, were you into riding horses ?

I can't see how anyone with a physical disability could go on a week long horseback ride let alone one hour.
Riding a horse is exercise. My X had horses and when I was at the peak in my life of being in physical shape I discovered muscles I didn't know I had when I had to ride all over Palos Verdes.

I have already said it doesn't seem to pass the sniff test.

But if you want me to acknowledge there are things about the situation that I know that I really don't....I ain't gonna do it. Isn't "doesn't seem to pass the sniff test" enough?
 
Look, if I had someone randomly come up to me and claim that I did not deserve the accommodations or benefits I receive under a completely different program or institution (as I never applied for this program, but have for others), because I did not "look" disabled to them, I would tell them to "get f*cked."

Figure look on the bright side. If someone did that to me, they'd be eligible to "milk the system", too.
 
How do you know "he was by himself"? Did you follow him everywhere? Did you see him park and see him leave?

Then how do you know he doesn't have something that has nothing to do with his strength? Heck, it could easily be MS, which is actually something that has good days and bad days. Or it could be something like that golfer had, the one that couldn't walk far or he took a high chance of getting blood clots in his legs.


I saw him get into his truck and drive off.

This just isn't one incident, seen it dozens of times and so have tens of thousands of others. It goes on all over America. Why do you think people are pissed off ?

What will piss you off, if you break your leg and have a cast on your leg you can't park in the handicap space. Since a broken leg is a temporary disability you can't get one of those blue ADA cards.

What year is the Navy suppose to have those ADA aircraft parking spaces on carrier flight decks ? You think I'm BSing you, don't you ?
 
It's like that guy I saw this morning at the Home Depot parked in the handicap zone with one of those blue ADA cards hanging from his rear view mirror who was loading 16, 100 pound bags of concrete into the back of his pick-up truck.
:roll:

Home Depot doesn't sell 100 pound bags of concrete. In fact, nobody does.
 
I have already said it doesn't seem to pass the sniff test.

But if you want me to acknowledge there are things about the situation that I know that I really don't....I ain't gonna do it. Isn't "doesn't seem to pass the sniff test" enough?

Obamacare didn't pass any sniff test, but who cares ?
 
Someone should be put on disability if they have a condition that makes it impossible (or at least especially difficult) to work. If someone is injured in a way that they are still able to work, but no longer in their current job field, they should be retrained to work in a field that they are able to work in. For example if I lost the use of my legs, I couldn't do my job any more, since it requires me to drive a lot, but I could still do some jobs.

Actually my dad drove truck for many years with a peg leg, until the federal government went to the CDL and didn't allow waivers for artificial limbs. Due to his age at the time, the VA changed his disability rating to 100% based upon employability because he was too old to be retrained for a new career.
 
I've been fighting the Social Security system for five years now, largely because my disability is psychiatric and I look healthy. Hell, most of the time-- as long as nobody is bothering me-- I am pretty healthy. I've got a part-time job; I work twenty hours a week disassembling electronics for recycling. It pays minimum wage, and I am happy to have it; I was taught to work for a living and earn my keep, and it pisses me off that I'm stuck on welfare because my government-mandated insurance won't pay me the money it owes me.

Thing is, I can work four hours a day for five days a week. Most of the time. I can even pull an eight hour shift a couple of times per week. But working four hours a day, five days a week, I miss an average of three days a month-- days that I can't work because I have to tranquilize myself near-comatose to keep from hurting myself or others. Only reason I can keep this job-- which I love, because it's a job I can keep-- is because I'm part-time and thus the attendance policy doesn't apply to me; because I'm part-time, I can pick up extra shifts to make up for time I miss, and I don't get paid time off so I won't get fired for using it all in the first half of the year. I can't support myself by working, but this job allows me to do something productive, to contribute to society and to better myself.
 
I saw him get into his truck and drive off.

This just isn't one incident, seen it dozens of times and so have tens of thousands of others. It goes on all over America. Why do you think people are pissed off ?

What will piss you off, if you break your leg and have a cast on your leg you can't park in the handicap space. Since a broken leg is a temporary disability you can't get one of those blue ADA cards.

What year is the Navy suppose to have those ADA aircraft parking spaces on carrier flight decks ? You think I'm BSing you, don't you ?

How do you know the placard actually belonged to him? I see many people who appear to casual observer to abuse the placards and plates that actually belong to other people.
 
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