View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Yeah, and the government's brilliant at paying it out!
    Shouldn't the government be brilliant at that?
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Going to bed Gina, will resume tomorrow. Goodnight.
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    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Depends. During the 19th century a socialist movement was created that didn't try to remove capitalism completely, but simply tried to relieve what they saw as unequal or unfair parts of it. You know, the whole relieve the world of it's suffering bull****. Still, the rest of it was all there, but they denied any association with socialist ideals and claimed themselves as capitalists. Of course, they didn't at all endorse a free market, free trade, and didn't really support private property or the private means of production. They set forth to control industry, control prices, control what people could bought, what they were buying it with, what people were paid. how they were paid, what they were to be provided, what could be sold, how it could be sold, they were interested in all of it. In the end, all that was left was the illusion that the property was private. In fact, much like it is today it was more true to say that government owned the property of the people than the people owned it. Much like it is today they lacked most of the ability to control it and where treated much like something is merely renting and allowed to enjoy the property as long as they obeyed the rules and paid the state. In the end, it was just another approach towards the same ends. A different strain of the same principles and goals, but without the obvious objectionables. What was interesting perhaps is the results were different in some regards.
    I don't understand why people think there are two separate systems operating and only the extremes are possible? This country is mostly capitalism with a form of socialism. I don't think trying to create a system that benefits the most people is an attempt to relieve all suffering. Giving a majority an opportunity to earn a share of the pie benefits society as a whole, instead of allowing a small percentage at the top to use their position and leverage to rig the game. There's a point were success becomes more about ego and power at others expense than achieving anything positive.

    I won't disagree that as a society we've raised a couple generations of lazy, self entitled brats with little work ethic. But on the other hand we've also created a huge swath of unemployment and disparaging income, which far outweighs any abuse of the social system.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Raising money? That's only part of it. The easiest part. How to pay it out. Who is qualified to receive benefits and who is not. That is the nuts and bolts of aid to those with disabilities.

    There is no comparison to be made with respect to fund raising for charity and the government.
    Exactly.
    My youngest daughter was an unpaid intern helping with fundraising and interviewing needy families for the Salvation Army in her college town in Michigan while she was in college.
    She contacted DJs and radio personalities to donate their time for many fund raisers, called local businesses for donations for auctions and other fundraisers, helped the marines with their toys for tots which they collected and stored in an uuheated ( In Michigan during November and December ) warehouse with no running water, she was a volunteer bell ringer.

    She loved most of the work but the part of the work that really broke her heart was when she had to tell some of the truly needy families who asked for help that she was so sorry but that the Salvation Army had no funds left to help them.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    NO VOTE
    The selections are "overly fixed".
    It is stupid to draw any sort of conclusion based on one anecdotal event.....or even ten......
    But, I do agree, the system can be improved...
    Both myself and my wife are on disability....believe me, life is NO endless picnic.
    What we need is a far more tolerant society.
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    TV advertising is repugnant enough as it is...

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Working people that see these people taking advantage of the system care. The statute reads and I quote "IF you are physically able to perform ANY job you aren't qualified for disability"
    Compromise then ...look it up - conservatives..
    A 40-60 or 50-50 deal for those disabled...which may satisfy both liberal and conservative...
    I'll admit, this is probably unworkable and a lousy idea...
    But, as I say, we do need more tolerance.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Exactly.
    My youngest daughter was an unpaid intern helping with fundraising and interviewing needy families for the Salvation Army in her college town in Michigan while she was in college.
    She contacted DJs and radio personalities to donate their time for many fund raisers, called local businesses for donations for auctions and other fundraisers, helped the marines with their toys for tots which they collected and stored in an uuheated ( In Michigan during November and December ) warehouse with no running water, she was a volunteer bell ringer.

    She loved most of the work but the part of the work that really broke her heart was when she had to tell some of the truly needy families who asked for help that she was so sorry but that the Salvation Army had no funds left to help them.
    How heart breaking, minnie. It's all fun and good feelings while raising money. Doing the hard work of determining who gets what, and trying to keep out the riff raff too, that's where the rubber meets the road.

    My hats off to your daughter for interning with them. Not the gig everyone is clamoring to get. Good on her!
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Because you show absolutely no understanding of the hurdles the disabled face. What it takes to care for them. The intricacies of treatment, therapies (including occupational). Nothing you have written indicates you have any experience with it.

    If you have been through a catastrophic incident, I don't know why you wouldn't have shared it by now. At least to shove it back at me that you overcame it, without help.
    It's not that I don't understand the hurdles they face, it's that I have faith that the private sector can meet those needs. I think a person should have the freedom to choose whether or not to help and you don't. I believe that private sector enterprise and charity are much more efficient overall than the government and you don't. I think that's pretty much what it boils down to.

    I don't want to share what I've been through with the entire forum, but I'll just say it hasn't been easy. I think I've earned the right to have an opinion on this not only as a person with empathy for the disabled but also as a taxpayer.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    It's not that I don't understand the hurdles they face, it's that I have faith that the private sector can meet those needs. I think a person should have the freedom to choose whether or not to help and you don't. I believe that private sector enterprise and charity are much more efficient overall than the government and you don't. I think that's pretty much what it boils down to.

    I don't want to share what I've been through with the entire forum, but I'll just say it hasn't been easy. I think I've earned the right to have an opinion on this not only as a person with empathy for the disabled but also as a taxpayer.
    If you think that charity can replace the disability system, you do not have any idea what you are talking about. It has been explained, in great detail, what is required to service such a diverse population. You have yet to address that, to propose any kind of program in any capacity other than to repeat charity, private sector, efficiency. Faith does not make it so. The real world depends on planning, staffing and implementation.

    If the private sector saw a dime's worth of value in the "disability market", they would be mining it. Komen does one thing, raise money for breast cancer. You would have to have dozens of charities the size of Komen to cover the broad spectrum that is the current disability program. Which you have also not acknowledged.

    I understand not sharing with the forum and I'm sorry it hasn't been easy. I just doubt you comprehend what the rest of those with disability face.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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