View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    This is some sad parroting I'm seeing.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    No, people get paid at Komen. The CEO gets $400k +.

    They also focus on ONE diagnosis, breast cancer. This is what you are not understanding. Re-read Risky's post. There needs to be specialists for a broad spectrum of disabilities. Someone skilled in working with the blind, is not appropriate for a person with high functioning autism. Someone skilled in working with amputees, is not appropriate for a deaf person.

    No, my town has not been visited by Komen. If I want to participate in an event with the Komen brand, I have to drive to Portland.

    Aso their savvy, those savvy people raised enough money to fund only 10-15% of the requests deemed worthy.

    What do you think would happen? The same as if you were fired without savings or investments. Without their payments, no rent, no therapies or treatments or meds. Is it that difficult to comprehend what disability funds pay for?
    The CEO may be getting paid but most of those raising the money aren't. And I never said someone wouldn't get paid, but pretty much all of those people you see walking down the street in pink are volunteers bringing over $1000 in donations with them. That's a lot more successful and efficient than the government.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Exactly.

    JC assumes that people with disabilities do not want to work. He assumes TABs (temporarily able bodied), such as himself, are virtuous and inherently good, while at the same time assuming that people with disabilities are lazy slackers who would rather live in near poverty than work.

    JC's world: Able bodied = Virtuous, Worthy; Disabled = Lazy, Deceitful, Dependent, Drug addict

    Therefore when the day comes that JC becomes disabled, he will transition from virtuous and worthy to lazy, deceitful, dependent and drug addicted. Unfortunately JC is not alone in subscribing to this belief. It is why attitudes disable. It is also a major reason why adventitiously disabled people often required mental health assistance.
    That is a sore point with me. People who assume they will never be disabled, unemployed for long period of time, or catastrophically ill to the point of losing their home and therefore think that people who are in any one of those circumstances are lazy, deceitful, dependent or drug addicted. I know people who did everything right (college, great job, a home and savings) but nearly or did lost it all when they were laid off and unemployed for a prolonged period or got sick. Firmly middle class people, or even upper middle in terms of earnings. They are none of that (lazy, deceitful, dependent, drug addicted). I don't ever wish bad fortune on anyone. As you have described, there may be no avoiding disability in old age and then they may finally understand why the social safety net is necessary.
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    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    The CEO may be getting paid but most of those raising the money aren't. And I never said someone wouldn't get paid, but pretty much all of those people you see walking down the street in pink are volunteers bringing over $1000 in donations with them. That's a lot more successful and efficient than the government.
    Raising money? That's only part of it. The easiest part. How to pay it out. Who is qualified to receive benefits and who is not. That is the nuts and bolts of aid to those with disabilities.

    There is no comparison to be made with respect to fund raising for charity and the government.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    That is a sore point with me. People who assume they will never be disabled, unemployed for long period of time, or catastrophically ill to the point of losing their home and therefore think that people who are in any one of those circumstances are lazy, deceitful, dependent or drug addicted. I know people who did everything right (college, great job, a home and savings) but nearly or did lost it all when they were laid off and unemployed for a prolonged period or got sick. Firmly middle class people, or even upper middle in terms of earnings. They are none of that (lazy, deceitful, dependent, drug addicted). I don't ever wish bad fortune on anyone. As you have described, there may be no avoiding disability in old age and then they may finally understand why the social safety net is necessary.
    I am proud to say that I have met so many disabled people who have taught me so much. I am truly grateful for all I have learned.

    A couple of years ago I met a 38 year old actual rocket scientist, brilliant guy. He was married, 2 kids, great job. I assume he had a rocket scientist income. He slipped off a three step step ladder in his kitchen, hit his head on the counter on the way down and instantly became a high level quad - can't move anything below his neck. Because of government funded programs his life was saved, he was able to get a very sophisticated wheel chair, he was introduced to and trained to use extremely sophisticated assistive technology and software - and because his employer believed in him he was able to return to his job, with necessary accommodations. He got lucky after being very unlucky. His life changed in a blink of an eye.

    Everyone thinks, "It will never happen to me."

    Maybe I have simply had the incredible good fortune never to have met lazy, deceitful, drug addicted disabled people who enjoy being dependent. Certainly there are some out there, but damned if I have met them.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Raising money? That's only part of it. The easiest part. How to pay it out. Who is qualified to receive benefits and who is not. That is the nuts and bolts of aid to those with disabilities.

    There is no comparison to be made with respect to fund raising for charity and the government.
    Yeah, and the government's brilliant at paying it out!

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    That is a sore point with me. People who assume they will never be disabled, unemployed for long period of time, or catastrophically ill to the point of losing their home and therefore think that people who are in any one of those circumstances are lazy, deceitful, dependent or drug addicted. I know people who did everything right (college, great job, a home and savings) but nearly or did lost it all when they were laid off and unemployed for a prolonged period or got sick. Firmly middle class people, or even upper middle in terms of earnings. They are none of that (lazy, deceitful, dependent, drug addicted). I don't ever wish bad fortune on anyone. As you have described, there may be no avoiding disability in old age and then they may finally understand why the social safety net is necessary.
    How do you know that I've never had a catastrophic incident happen to me? And why would you assume that I look at disabled people with disdain just because I have more faith in the private sector than the government? I think your righteous indignation is clouding your judgement.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I am proud to say that I have met so many disabled people who have taught me so much. I am truly grateful for all I have learned.

    A couple of years ago I met a 38 year old actual rocket scientist, brilliant guy. He was married, 2 kids, great job. I assume he had a rocket scientist income. He slipped off a three step step ladder in his kitchen, hit his head on the counter on the way down and instantly became a high level quad - can't move anything below his neck. Because of government funded programs his life was saved, he was able to get a very sophisticated wheel chair, he was introduced to and trained to use extremely sophisticated assistive technology and software - and because his employer believed in him he was able to return to his job, with necessary accommodations. He got lucky after being very unlucky. His life changed in a blink of an eye.

    Everyone thinks, "It will never happen to me."

    Maybe I have simply had the incredible good fortune never to have met lazy, deceitful, drug addicted disabled people who enjoy being dependent. Certainly there are some out there, but damned if I have met them.
    He is extremely lucky there is such a system in place to save his and his family's life. Who knows how they would have coped had there been nothing. Certainly not at the level he earned through a life time of schooling and work. That is a terrific example of the good the "inefficient" government does. Every day.

    What would people who want to end disability payments have done with people like that? Hope that other people would come around to help him and his family at that level?
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    How do you know that I've never had a catastrophic incident happen to me? And why would you assume that I look at disabled people with disdain just because I have more faith in the private sector than the government? I think your righteous indignation is clouding your judgement.
    Because you show absolutely no understanding of the hurdles the disabled face. What it takes to care for them. The intricacies of treatment, therapies (including occupational). Nothing you have written indicates you have any experience with it.

    If you have been through a catastrophic incident, I don't know why you wouldn't have shared it by now. At least to shove it back at me that you overcame it, without help.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Because you show absolutely no understanding of the hurdles the disabled face. What it takes to care for them. The intricacies of treatment, therapies (including occupational). Nothing you have written indicates you have any experience with it.

    If you have been through a catastrophic incident, I don't know why you wouldn't have shared it by now. At least to shove it back at me that you overcame it, without help.
    Going to bed Gina, will resume tomorrow. Goodnight.

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