View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Well, people were more polite; they looked out for each other; they weren't looking to race bait and divide; children were free to do children things ike playing baseball all day in the summer, or sledriding half the night in the winter without adults worrying about their safety; and most people minded their own business and obeyed the laws....yeah, it was a real hellhole back in those days! Too bad it's gone....

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    You're accusing me of having a "let other people do it" mentality....where do you get that from? I'm saying people shouldn't be forced to give, they should give if they want to. You're the one forcing other people against their will to pay for your programs! And how could you have such a low opinion of the potential of the average American when you think that no one could possibly compare in efficiency to our government. What kind of hell hole was this country before entitlements in your opinion?
    As I have mentioned, I've actually been involved in this area for years and years. My knowledge is based on experience. We know that people with the "let other people do it mentality" contribute very little to improve the quality of life for other people.

    Tell me how your program would work.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    As I have mentioned, I've actually been involved in this area for years and years. My knowledge is based on experience. We know that people with the "let other people do it mentality" contribute very little to improve the quality of life for other people.

    Tell me how your program would work.
    I don't care how much experience you have, I propose to let everyone give of their own free will, you propose forcing everyone. Now who really has the "let other people do it" mentality?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    I don't care how much experience you have, I propose to let everyone give of their own free will, you propose forcing everyone. Now who really has the "let other people do it" mentality?
    You do.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Don't you think that anyone outside of the government has a degree or any expertise in running anything?

    Just curious, what would you do if the government cut out all entitlements tomorrow?
    Of course there are, but that's a ridiculous question. Do you think a charity could run a national program to replace the disability program that exists today? Do you think a well qualified staff will volunteer? Do you understand the overhead in staffing the varied specialists and administrators who understand the associated laws? Did you have any idea of the intricacies of aiding people with disabilities?

    No, what would all those people were throw off disability tomorrow? I am not on any kind of entitlement program. I'd be fine, but those who are would be devastated.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Of course there are, but that's a ridiculous question. Do you think a charity could run a national program to replace the disability program that exists today? Do you think a well qualified staff will volunteer? Do you understand the overhead in staffing the varied specialists and administrators who understand the associated laws? Did you have any idea of the intricacies of aiding people with disabilities?

    No, what would all those people were throw off disability tomorrow? I am not on any kind of entitlement program. I'd be fine, but those who are would be devastated.
    They do at the Komen Foundation. Has your town ever been visited by them? Have you ever seen the White House turned pink or and NFL football game with players wearing pink? I'd say it takes some pretty savvy people to put those kinds of events together, wouldn't you?

    And when you say people would be "devastated", what do you mean....what would happen to them?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    I don't care how much experience you have, I propose to let everyone give of their own free will, you propose forcing everyone. Now who really has the "let other people do it" mentality?
    You. You either don't have any idea of a workable program or you don't care (because you don't want anyone forced into paying for disabilities, at all), in either case, "let other other people do it" is appropriate.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Of course there are, but that's a ridiculous question. Do you think a charity could run a national program to replace the disability program that exists today? Do you think a well qualified staff will volunteer? Do you understand the overhead in staffing the varied specialists and administrators who understand the associated laws? Did you have any idea of the intricacies of aiding people with disabilities?

    No, what would all those people were throw off disability tomorrow? I am not on any kind of entitlement program. I'd be fine, but those who are would be devastated.
    Exactly.

    JC assumes that people with disabilities do not want to work. He assumes TABs (temporarily able bodied), such as himself, are virtuous and inherently good, while at the same time assuming that people with disabilities are lazy slackers who would rather live in near poverty than work.

    JC's world: Able bodied = Virtuous, Worthy; Disabled = Lazy, Deceitful, Dependent, Drug addict

    Therefore when the day comes that JC becomes disabled, he will transition from virtuous and worthy to lazy, deceitful, dependent and drug addicted. Unfortunately JC is not alone in subscribing to this belief. It is why attitudes disable. It is also a major reason why adventitiously disabled people often required mental health assistance.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    They do at the Komen Foundation. Has your town ever been visited by them? Have you ever seen the White House turned pink or and NFL football game with players wearing pink? I'd say it takes some pretty savvy people to put those kinds of events together, wouldn't you?

    And when you say people would be "devastated", what do you mean....what would happen to them?
    No, people get paid at Komen. The CEO gets $400k +.

    They also focus on ONE diagnosis, breast cancer. This is what you are not understanding. Re-read Risky's post. There needs to be specialists for a broad spectrum of disabilities. Someone skilled in working with the blind, is not appropriate for a person with high functioning autism. Someone skilled in working with amputees, is not appropriate for a deaf person.

    No, my town has not been visited by Komen. If I want to participate in an event with the Komen brand, I have to drive to Portland.

    Aso their savvy, those savvy people raised enough money to fund only 10-15% of the requests deemed worthy.

    What do you think would happen? The same as if you were fired without savings or investments. Without their payments, no rent, no therapies or treatments or meds. Is it that difficult to comprehend what disability funds pay for?
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    You. You either don't have any idea of a workable program or you don't care (because you don't want anyone forced into paying for disabilities, at all), in either case, "let other other people do it" is appropriate.
    He is unable to conceptualize what is required, Gina.










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    When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that person is crazy. ~Dave Barry



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