View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Under the ADA and the related (Federal Employees) Rehabilitation act, disabled means suffering an impairment that substantially limits a major life function such as walking, sleeping, working etc. The Democrats in Congress modified existing Court interpretations (Sutton and Williams) to expand the definition allowing more people to claim protected status under those two acts and thus sue under the twin theories of a "failure to accommodate" or "disparate treatment based on status".

    having litigated dozens of such cases there are as many legitimate cases where employers either failure to accommodate or subject the individual to disparate treatment as there are cases where lousy employees try to avoid the consequences of their poor performance. I note that the USPS has something nearing 30% of its workers engaged in Limited (due to on the job impairments) or Light (due to impairments not involving workers compensation implications) duty. Many of those people are not "disabled" within the meaning of the two federal laws but are being accommodated due to alleged impairments

    Its a huge racket and we need to be far more careful in evaluating such claims and far more rigorous in rooting out fraud



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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    yes you would be and should be called out on it
    Apparently the disabled aren't afforded the right to maintain their homes or have recreational activities.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm saying more along the lines of she leaves him at a Starbucks or other restaurant while she grocery shops and does other things in that same place/area. That's what I was trying to say with the quotes around run. Basically, not moving the car, just returning to it because she has many things going on. She shouldn't have to move it just because she might be coming back to it without my uncle.

    I agree that if they don't have someone with them when they drive to park, then they shouldn't park there. But then it would also depend on whether the person will be picking the handicapped person up too.
    Then we agree. As I said so long as mobility isn't an issue and that would include picking up and dropping off, and going with. I was thinking drop off, take vehicle to run errands, then return to pick up. The in-between errands shouldn't be parked in handicap.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Apparently the disabled aren't afforded the right to maintain their homes or have recreational activities.
    if they are truly disabled how can they maintain anything, why not maintain a job?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Someone should be put on disability if they have a condition that makes it impossible (or at least especially difficult) to work. If someone is injured in a way that they are still able to work, but no longer in their current job field, they should be retrained to work in a field that they are able to work in. For example if I lost the use of my legs, I couldn't do my job any more, since it requires me to drive a lot, but I could still do some jobs.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Then we agree. As I said so long as mobility isn't an issue and that would include picking up and dropping off, and going with. I was thinking drop off, take vehicle to run errands, then return to pick up. The in-between errands shouldn't be parked in handicap.
    I agree, I just couldn't quite get put in that first post what I was trying to say. You should have the person with you or be picking them up when parking in handicapped parking if you aren't the person. But that shouldn't mean that you can't go back to the vehicle and happen to be there when someone else notices you alone doing something at the handicapped placarded vehicle. To me, it is like people are assuming that someone is scamming the system just because they don't necessarily have all the details. Some people may do this, but it doesn't mean all are just because a person happens to see only a "snap shot" of the event that has them in handicap parking.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    if they are truly disabled how can they maintain anything
    You're joking, right?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Someone should be put on disability if they have a condition that makes it impossible (or at least especially difficult) to work. If someone is injured in a way that they are still able to work, but no longer in their current job field, they should be retrained to work in a field that they are able to work in. For example if I lost the use of my legs, I couldn't do my job any more, since it requires me to drive a lot, but I could still do some jobs.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You're joking, right?
    Why can't they maintain a job? mowing climbing on the house, changing the oil is all intensive labor, can't work?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    My stance on this has changed dramatically since my father became disabled after his traumatic brain injury.

    He cannot wipe his own ass because he cannot use his hands. He cannot walk without support. He needs to be watched constantly in case he wanders off or falls down, or decides to eat raw sausage again because, for some reason that even he didn't understand, he thought it was an ice cream sandwich.

    He doesn't always remember me. He tells the same stories 100 times a day. He forgets conversations while he's having the conversation. He's lost the ability to express any emotions at all (his sister died two and a half years ago and he had slightly less of an emotional reaction to it than a sock would have learning it's partner sock had been lost in the dryer). He tends to drool.

    That's definitely disabled. We can use that as a baseline. Any piece of **** "gaming" the system is making it harder for people like him to get care they need and deserves to be given a disability. You might be surprised by this, but the scrutiny my father gets subjected to is quite extensive. Caseworkers seem to want to believe that he's faking his brain injury. Never mind that he spent nearly a year in a coma. Never mind that anyone who isn't dealing with brain damage can take one look at him and see in just a few seconds that something is definitely "off" with him.

    You see, his actual symptoms are considered "red flags" for fraud on paper. When a person can't answer a simple question like "can you spell dog backwards", they might be yucking it up to get a measly little check (because it's really **** all money) or they might just have severe brain damage that prevents them from accomplishing that simple task because their ****ing brain does not function correctly anymore. When the medical documents all say "this person is permanently brain-damaged and cannot perform simple tasks that most people take for granted", maybe it's better to use some ****ing common sense.

    But instead, he gets scrutinized to a high degree while some jackasses are "milking" the system. Not many, mind you, because it really is just a pittance that one gets from disability, but some.

    and here's the news flash. Those people who are milking the system are still going to get their money when the cuts happen. They know how to get the system to work for them. Cuts will only end up affecting the people who need it, like my father, because the people who actually need it don't usually know how to work the system. They don't want to be a part of the system, they have to be. the choice was taken away from them. So they rely on others to use their ****ing heads, but sadly, very few people can do that. Even with his brain damage, my father is still smarter than most government officials. In fact, the only job I think he could hold these days is congressman, because you certainly do not need a functioning brain in that job.
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