View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Let somebody else do it, while they enjoy tax supported services the government provides that others would not choose to pay for. It's all in one's POV. I guess. "What I enjoy is necessary while what others need to subsist, not so much."

    The idea that because some extraordinary people came from terrible circumstances is a reason to create horrible circumstances so that a few more like them can emerge, at the expense of countless other children who won't overcome abuse and neglect in an institution, is unconscionable.
    If it weren't for the ADA and the American government's support of disability related services Rush Limbaugh would have been out of work years ago. He directly benefitted from cochlear implant technology after he became suddenly deaf. In the interim after becoming deaf Limbaugh was able to continue his program using CART captioning service. Even with all his money, the research and the expertise for that technology would not have been possible without US government involvement.

    I am very proud that the US has led the way in enabling people with disabilities.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    If it weren't for the ADA and the American government's support of disability related services Rush Limbaugh would have been out of work years ago. He directly benefitted from cochlear implant technology after he became suddenly deaf. In the interim after becoming deaf Limbaugh was able to continue his program using CART captioning service. Even with all his money, the research and the expertise for that technology would not have been possible without US government involvement.

    I am very proud that the US has led the way in enabling people with disabilities.
    That's another use of taxpayer funds that is over looked or scoffed at as the responsibility of the "free market". Government funding of research has had a great impact on medical advancements. I'm sure many people who have benefited from those advances are the same people who want to eliminate future research in favor of the magical free market that would provide the same or even better discoveries if the government would just get out of the way.

    I am proud of that too Risky.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    The government pays for lots of services we don't all use, or would care to support. There are avid pacifists who would prefer not to support the military. There are retired people and child free who don't have kids, but none-the-less still pay taxes to support education. Taxes are not cafe style and people hold those beliefs as dearly as you hold yours against supporting welfare and disability.
    If every person has the right to defend even by force — his person, his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights constantly. Thus the principle of collective right, its reason for existing, its lawfulness is based on individual right. This common force, this collective right, cannot logically have any other purpose or any other mission. It follows then that since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, the government for the same reason cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups. The military acts towards the mission of the government I have laid out and thus while a dangerous institution is a lawful one.

    I didn't answer your question due to Korimyr already answering it. Hopefully that's fine. If not, I will gladly do so.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    If it weren't for the ADA and the American government's support of disability related services Rush Limbaugh would have been out of work years ago. He directly benefitted from cochlear implant technology after he became suddenly deaf. In the interim after becoming deaf Limbaugh was able to continue his program using CART captioning service. Even with all his money, the research and the expertise for that technology would not have been possible without US government involvement.

    I am very proud that the US has led the way in enabling people with disabilities.
    You know a heck of a lot about Rush Limbaugh. I'm not sure he's worth knowing that much about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Let somebody else do it, while they enjoy tax supported services the government provides that others would not choose to pay for. It's all in one's POV. I guess. "What I enjoy is necessary while what others need to subsist, not so much."
    Basic needs are not a function of federal government. That doesn't mean others' needs are not necessary. They are necessary, to them. My needs are necessary to me. Your needs are necessary to you. That's why we all do useful productive things and trade with one another -- to meet our own needs.

    Some people become truly disabled, thus in a sense reverting back to dependency on others for basic needs like there was in childhood. This is inevitable. People end up getting schizophrenia, brain damage, paralysis, and many other things. Others are always disabled, e.g. mental retardation. They cannot reasonably provide for themselves. No big deal. I'm not suggesting euthanasia for these folks per se. We can provide for these truly disabled people any number of ways. Even government programs. I'll tolerate it, despite my montrous, heartless, libertarian "let them die in the streets" attitude. Provide for the truly disabled.

    But what's happening with SSDI is that people who can't find a job but are ABLE to work are signing up for it by blaming their inability to find gainful employment on a medical condition. This is fraud, and it's very, very hard (read: time consuming and expensive) to effectively clamp down on.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You know a heck of a lot about Rush Limbaugh. I'm not sure he's worth knowing that much about.



    Basic needs are not a function of federal government. That doesn't mean others' needs are not necessary. They are necessary, to them. My needs are necessary to me. Your needs are necessary to you. That's why we all do useful productive things and trade with one another -- to meet our own needs.

    Some people become truly disabled, thus in a sense reverting back to dependency on others for basic needs like there was in childhood. This is inevitable. People end up getting schizophrenia, brain damage, paralysis, and many other things. Others are always disabled, e.g. mental retardation. They cannot reasonably provide for themselves. No big deal. I'm not suggesting euthanasia for these folks per se. We can provide for these truly disabled people any number of ways. Even government programs. I'll tolerate it, despite my montrous, heartless, libertarian "let them die in the streets" attitude. Provide for the truly disabled.

    But what's happening with SSDI is that people who can't find a job but are ABLE to work are signing up for it by blaming their inability to find gainful employment on a medical condition. This is fraud, and it's very, very hard (read: time consuming and expensive) to effectively clamp down on.
    Fine, clamp down on fraud. Leave the people who are legit alone. Good on you that you can see this need and will provide for it.
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    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I've seen it myself on more than one occasion. I was an acquaintance of a woman who was actually arrested for. The police came to her home while her and her young daughter were there and arrested her. I had to baby sit her daughter. She was collecting disability and working under the table too. At the time, I didn't know it, but apparently someone turned her in.
    I just thought about coming back to this one. The arrest would have been accounted for in SSA's internal monitoring statistics. Had she been arrested and found guilty of disability fraud, she would have been part of that 1% statistic, which in fact merely backs up what I am saying.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Fine, clamp down on fraud. Leave the people who are legit alone. Good on you that you can see this need and will provide for it.
    I'm guessing that you would find my way of clamping down to be fairly sweeping, i.e., we would disagree on who all to include in the "legit" category. Entire conditions or even classes of conditions would no longer qualify.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yes, bad things will happen and you can be assured lots of bad things will happen in situations that are ripe for it like institutions. So you are willing to accept that negative, to create the circumstances you think will deliver people of Annie's, Abe's and Twain's caliber? You think it's ok because there might be someone to come out of a hell hole that will make all the others who suffer worth it?

    Have you no empathy?
    I'm not going to deny you have empathy, but I don't understand how pointing at one person with money and demanding they give it to someone else is proof of it. You see a person suffering and feel like something should be done, well so do I. The difference is that I believe we should be able to help on our own free will, not against it. Your talking about squalid conditions that occurred at times over 100 years ago when society in general lived a much less comfortable and safe life with nowhere near the technology we have now and comparing it to today. Do you believe all of our advancements in helping the disabled are due solely to government subsidies and entitlements? Doesn't it strike you as odd that Washington is usually considered to be corrupt, incompetent, and greedy with poor approval ratings (Congress at least) and your assigning our advancements in compassion and empathy to them?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post


    LOL! OK, hotdog. Who is the author and would you please cite the specific chapters and pages relevant to disability.
    What do you mean by "hotdog"? My basic question was how did the US become such an incredible nation in such a short period of time between it's inception and the beginning of entitlements, which I of course believe it did, but now you want sources?

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