View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes, but it isn't running out of money because of fraud-- at least, not disability fraud. One of the reasons it's running out of money is because the thieving whores in Congress took the money from the Social Security budget and spent it.

    The other is simple demographics. The life expectancy is advancing faster than the retirement age and the birth rate is falling, so more and more people are collecting Social Security per person collecting-- disability (and disability fraud), as big of an issue as it is, is a drop in the bucket compared to that. As it is right now, people are only expected to work at a career for a little over forty years, and then collect retirement benefits for fifteen on average-- with some people collecting Social Security for as long, or longer, than they worked. That's unsustainable.

    The top priorities, if we're to save Social Security, are to shore up flagging population growth rates and reform Social Security funding so that it's no longer vulnerable to legislative vultures.
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    This.... X 1000.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Do you live in a basement ?
    No, but I'd bet that I've poured and finished more concrete basement floors than you will ever set foot on in your entire life. That is why I instantly knew you were full of Shiite when you started blabbing on about "100 pound bags of concrete".

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    I'm not advocating it, I'm saying that bad things are going to happen no matter what. I've heard some pretty bad stories of VA hospitals too.

    Sullivan's description of her horrors sounds a lot like Shania Twains, from her autobiography. Another person who grew up in abject poverty with an abusive upbringing and went on to realize an incredible potential.

    Will we ever put an end to the bad things that happen, I don't think so. We have to have negative to have positive in this world. Sullivan, Lincoln, and Twain in my opinion exemplify that.

    With that said, would I have a desire to help the disabled if there were no government assistance? Yes. The difference between me helping and the government is that I'm giving a heartfelt, personal gift to them and they're often receiving it with humility and gratefulness and a desire to do as much on their own as they can. A government entitlement is a nameless check...not a gift, but something one should expect. Some do receive it with humility, buy many don't. After all, why...we're entitled to it.
    Yes, bad things will happen and you can be assured lots of bad things will happen in situations that are ripe for it like institutions. So you are willing to accept that negative, to create the circumstances you think will deliver people of Annie's, Abe's and Twain's caliber? You think it's ok because there might be someone to come out of a hell hole that will make all the others who suffer worth it?

    Have you no empathy?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Because protectionism worked,
    Protectionism has worked? What a strange and rather unaccepted idea. Protectionism impedes economic growth, holds up bad economic policy, raises the cost of goods and services, impedes competition, and leads to monopolies. Most economic minds agree with me on this no matter the era.

    regulations worked
    Again, what are you talking about? Regulations control private property, violates liberty, punishes innocent parties and allows the government to direct the market. Saying it worked is a such a strange word to use. You could do much of it through punishing violators of peoples rights without allowing the government to control the property of people and lives of people.

    the invisible hand never existed among its greatest proponents, and philanthropy had its unfortunate limits.
    The limits of voluntarily giving to others is self evident. It doesn't need to be explained to anyone that the welfare state has far greater capability than any voluntary arrangement will ever have. It could never have the goal of the welfare state and anyone foolish enough to think it could is ignorant on the demand of resources that it takes to reach the heights the welfare state has. The ends are however also judged by the means and there is little doubt which idea here is superior in those regards. If your goal is help others than it doesn't make much sense to abuse others in the process as well. I do not support immoral actions due their being benefits behind them, sorry.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So it sounds then like you would see any form of taxation as a transfer of wealth?
    When the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong that is transfer of wealth. When this occurs the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    No, but I'd bet that I've poured and finished more concrete basement floors than you will ever set foot on in your entire life. That is why I instantly knew you were full of Shiite when you started blabbing on about "100 pound bags of concrete".
    I hope your not one of those in the trade who instead of calling for a concrete mixer truck and a pumping service lifts bags of concrete and mixes his own to save a buck and the endgame being you file a disability claim because of your back pain.

    I didn't walk over to see if he was loading concrete, Portland cement or plaster. All I know he wasn't loading those small pantywaist 60 pound bags.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I've personally known several people who were collecting disability and did not need to be, and it was QUITE obvious that these people were quite capable of working, at least part-time. Our country has become a nation of weaklings who want everything handed to them for nothing in return. I'm not saying that ALL people who are collecting don't need it. My mom gets it because she has MS. SHE really needs it. She is incapable of working and it's not because she's "sad" either.
    Of the over 100 people we know receiving disability or receiving full unemployment and poverty benefits, only 3 are actually disabled and employable or working for cash off record. There is NO policing.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    My factual source is the history of the United States. Did we not become an amazing nation in the short period of time from our inception until the beginning of entitlements and big government intervention? If so, how?


    LOL! OK, hotdog. Who is the author and would you please cite the specific chapters and pages relevant to disability.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yes, bad things will happen and you can be assured lots of bad things will happen in situations that are ripe for it like institutions. So you are willing to accept that negative, to create the circumstances you think will deliver people of Annie's, Abe's and Twain's caliber? You think it's ok because there might be someone to come out of a hell hole that will make all the others who suffer worth it?

    Have you no empathy?
    JC's answer seems to be "let somebody else do it". Certainly in JC's History of the World reference book he can tell us the approximate number of deafblind contemporaries were around when Annie worked with Helen. Of those how many deafblind adults were as well educated and as enlightened as Helen? Hint: Helen Keller's story is unique because of her ability and because of Annie. The odds against Helen Keller were monumental. Fact is there weren't many other Annies. If it had been left up to JC nothing would have happened. His answer is let somebody else do it. Sadly, we continue to hear that again and again from people on this forum like JC and Henrin.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    JC's answer seems to be "let somebody else do it". Certainly in JC's History of the World reference book he can tell us the approximate number of deafblind contemporaries were around when Annie worked with Helen. Of those how many deafblind adults were as well educated and as enlightened as Helen? Hint: Helen Keller's story is unique because of her ability and because of Annie. The odds against Helen Keller were monumental. Fact is there weren't many other Annies. If it had been left up to JC nothing would have happened. His answer is let somebody else do it. Sadly, we continue to hear that again and again from people on this forum like JC and Henrin.
    Let somebody else do it, while they enjoy tax supported services the government provides that others would not choose to pay for. It's all in one's POV. I guess. "What I enjoy is necessary while what others need to subsist, not so much."

    The idea that because some extraordinary people came from terrible circumstances is a reason to create horrible circumstances so that a few more like them can emerge, at the expense of countless other children who won't overcome abuse and neglect in an institution, is unconscionable.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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