View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    I think their tied in together.
    Exactly. It depends on what you value and the goals you're trying to reach.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Don't you see "transfer of wealth" as one of the scary Conservative labels? What does it really mean?
    It means taking from one person against their will and giving to another person.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And why is that?
    Because protectionism worked, regulations worked, the invisible hand never existed among its greatest proponents, and philanthropy had its unfortunate limits.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    It means taking from one person against their will and giving to another person.
    So it sounds then like you would see any form of taxation as a transfer of wealth?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So it sounds then like you would see any form of taxation as a transfer of wealth?
    No, the roads for instance benefit everyone.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    How do you know their lives were miserable and that the government made their lives better? Do you think Helen Keller was glad that Annie Sullivan came into her life? Was Sullivan sent by the government?
    As I said earlier, I have read a great deal about it. I've been involved in the field at different levels local and state. I have taken classes, graduate classes concerning disability and disability law. I know about the history. There are a number of books and articles and research papers and magazines dealing with the subject of disability, disability history, disability law, individual disabilities. They are out there if you want to read them. It seems to me you haven't. One of my favorites is the Mask of Benevolence by Dr. Harlan Lane. There are many. If you'd like, I'll be glad to furnish you with some titles.

    You're assuming that the great leaps in technology that have led us all to live more comfortable, safer lives are all due to the government. I think that the amazing ingenuity of America before there were even welfare and disability payments would've continued and we would've found ways to take care of each other without the government.
    No, I'm sorry. I am speaking from fact based knowledge. You are the one assuming. If you want to provide factual sources please put them up here. I'll read them. I'm late for a dinner with friends. However, I'd love to discuss the paragraph above with you later if you want to bring your sources into discussion.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    As I said earlier, I have read a great deal about it. I've been involved in the field at different levels local and state. I have taken classes, graduate classes concerning disability and disability law. I know about the history. There are a number of books and articles and research papers and magazines dealing with the subject of disability, disability history, disability law, individual disabilities. They are out there if you want to read them. It seems to me you haven't. One of my favorites is the Mask of Benevolence by Dr. Harlan Lane. There are many. If you'd like, I'll be glad to furnish you with some titles.



    No, I'm sorry. I am speaking from fact based knowledge. You are the one assuming. If you want to provide factual sources please put them up here. I'll read them. I'm late for a dinner with friends. However, I'd love to discuss the paragraph above with you later if you want to bring your sources into discussion.
    My factual source is the history of the United States. Did we not become an amazing nation in the short period of time from our inception until the beginning of entitlements and big government intervention? If so, how?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    No, the roads for instance benefit everyone.
    So in principal then, you are not opposed to contributing to practices that benefit others, it's just a matter of where the line is drawn?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    My factual source is the history of the United States.
    Oh man, that's trumped our historians. Look out fellas, we got the history of the United States on board now.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Exit taxes mean that he will be taxed exorbitantly for attempting to remove his wealth from the country. He isn't free to "vote with his feet".

    Which is exactly as it should be, in my opinion. He made his money here, in the country whose markets and economic climate made it possible-- if he wants to abandon ship because he doesn't like our economy, he should pay for the privilege.
    First of all, I made it possible. I was the one that fought his way off the streets, I was the one that earned himself two degrees, I was the one that started his own business, I was the one that did without sleep for years to make it a success, and I will be damned if I'm told without protest that the government made my business possible. We the people make the governments existence possible and it is because of people like myself that makes the welfare state have enough resources to survive. If it wasn't for me many people would be without jobs and their families would be subsistence, healthcare, or any well being to speak of. All the government did was provide my business with easier access to greater profits and force me to agree to terms I did not desire to agree to when I started my business.

    Second of all, you have no merit to tax me when I leave the country for good. I have already paid for what I have used and asking for further payment is asking me to pay for things that I will not use or at all benefit from. Telling me I must pay you and get nothing in return for it is akin to slavery.
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