View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    So you are advocating for this:


    That we purposely create that kind of environment and place innocent children in the midst of such depravity so as to create more Annies and Abes? What of those countless thousands who didn't overcome the abuse but succumbed to it, like her brother who died there? I read Annie's story as a 10-year-old. Absolutely terrifying. I could never condone placing children in such conditions.
    I'm not advocating it, I'm saying that bad things are going to happen no matter what. I've heard some pretty bad stories of VA hospitals too.

    Sullivan's description of her horrors sounds a lot like Shania Twains, from her autobiography. Another person who grew up in abject poverty with an abusive upbringing and went on to realize an incredible potential.

    Will we ever put an end to the bad things that happen, I don't think so. We have to have negative to have positive in this world. Sullivan, Lincoln, and Twain in my opinion exemplify that.

    With that said, would I have a desire to help the disabled if there were no government assistance? Yes. The difference between me helping and the government is that I'm giving a heartfelt, personal gift to them and they're often receiving it with humility and gratefulness and a desire to do as much on their own as they can. A government entitlement is a nameless check...not a gift, but something one should expect. Some do receive it with humility, buy many don't. After all, why...we're entitled to it.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When you can take whatever you want and affect whatever you desire to affect your influence will be great. No surprise there.
    Translation: my idea doesn't work, but your idea is coercive or built into the system, so it is categorically wrong, regardless of outcome.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Disability public policy has historically been heavily imbued with the external sense that the disabled person has to earn the status of benefactor before being granted any sort of accommodation, entrance to the public square, or subsidies.
    I am referring more the attitudes of people judging the recipients. It makes sense to get medical confirmation on a claim of disability. But the reality is the standards are pretty strict. People cheat, they always have and always will. But you don't deny the deserving because of that.

    Judging someone because they feel it is something they need is another matter.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    With that said, would I have a desire to help the disabled if there were no government assistance? Yes. The difference between me helping and the government is that I'm giving a heartfelt, personal gift to them and they're often receiving it with humility and gratefulness and a desire to do as much on their own as they can. A government entitlement is a nameless check...not a gift, but something one should expect. Some do receive it with humility, buy many don't. After all, why...we're entitled to it.
    This tells me that in your view, your own impulses for charity disproportionately weigh on the consideration if it is a better system.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    JC, when you are able to look at how life for the disabled was prior to government programs and interventions, you are able to make that determination. During the zenith of private organization social gospel folks of the Gilded Age, their reach was hardly anywhere near the capacity of the local, state, and federal governments. No amount of platitudes can overcome that reality.
    We live in a much more technologically sophisticated society with much more emphasis on health and safety than we did back in the 1920's. Are you going to credit the government for all of that? If so, who are you going to credit for making America possibly the greatest success story of any country in history in it's own short history from it's inception to the beginning of entitlements?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I am referring more the attitudes of people judging the recipients. It makes sense to get medical confirmation on a claim of disability. But the reality is the standards are pretty strict. People cheat, they always have and always will. Judging someone because they feel it is something they need is another matter.
    Yeah, I am backing up what you are saying, by stating that it has always influenced the thought behind public policy, for better or for worse.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    This tells me that in your view, your own impulses for charity disproportionately weigh on the consideration if it is a better system.
    I don't understand your point.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    We live in a much more technologically sophisticated society with much more emphasis on health and safety than we did back in the 1920's. Are you going to credit the government for all of that? If so, who are you going to credit for making America possibly the greatest success story of any country in history in it's own short history from it's inception to the beginning of entitlements?
    I'm going to credit the federal government for much of the regulated advances we have today, yes. Much of that safety was at the behest of increased governmental intervention after the Gilded Age. When you are talking about a group like the disabled, you have to square with some of these mantras that are mindlessly spouted off.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    I don't understand your point.
    I'm suggesting that your own feelings toward what you are doing is a lesser concern than the overall impact on a population.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Translation: my idea doesn't work, but your idea is coercive or built into the system, so it is categorically wrong, regardless of outcome.
    My ideas work fine for what they are intended to do. They however do not work fine at what they are not intended to do.

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