View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Exit taxes mean that he will be taxed exorbitantly for attempting to remove his wealth from the country. He isn't free to "vote with his feet".

    Which is exactly as it should be, in my opinion. He made his money here, in the country whose markets and economic climate made it possible-- if he wants to abandon ship because he doesn't like our economy, he should pay for the privilege.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Exit taxes mean that he will be taxed exorbitantly for attempting to remove his wealth from the country. He isn't free to "vote with his feet".

    Which is exactly as it should be, in my opinion. He made his money here, in the country whose markets and economic climate made it possible-- if he wants to abandon ship because he doesn't like our economy, he should pay for the privilege.
    Ah! Ok. Thank you! Now I get it and I agree. He played, he pays.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    There is a lot of abuse, especially of parking privileges and I would like to see better enforcement. However, there are people with hidden disabilities. For one example, I know a guy in his 40s who looks very healthy and fit, but he has a congenital heart problem that requires a pacemaker and keeps him from walking long distances. Also, I have driven my father-in-law's van with a disabled placard. If you saw me driving it and then loading groceries, you would be correct that I am not disabled. The placard is still kept visible, but I don't use disabled spaces unless I am with him.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    According to you the country has gone socialistic? If that's true how could the rich be getting richer, unless capitalism and those who benefit the most from it aren't being greedy beyond all that's sane?
    Depends. During the 19th century a socialist movement was created that didn't try to remove capitalism completely, but simply tried to relieve what they saw as unequal or unfair parts of it. You know, the whole relieve the world of it's suffering bull****. Still, the rest of it was all there, but they denied any association with socialist ideals and claimed themselves as capitalists. Of course, they didn't at all endorse a free market, free trade, and didn't really support private property or the private means of production. They set forth to control industry, control prices, control what people could bought, what they were buying it with, what people were paid. how they were paid, what they were to be provided, what could be sold, how it could be sold, they were interested in all of it. In the end, all that was left was the illusion that the property was private. In fact, much like it is today it was more true to say that government owned the property of the people than the people owned it. Much like it is today they lacked most of the ability to control it and where treated much like something is merely renting and allowed to enjoy the property as long as they obeyed the rules and paid the state. In the end, it was just another approach towards the same ends. A different strain of the same principles and goals, but without the obvious objectionables. What was interesting perhaps is the results were different in some regards.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    There are no longer alms houses.
    Well there would be something in their place then, unless you have no hope in the potential of people to do good for one another without government assistance. My point was that people made it work before there was government welfare and disability.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Well there would be something in their place then, unless you have no hope in the potential of people to do good for one another without government assistance. My point was that people made it work before there was government welfare and disability.
    To what end result, JC? There is absolutely no doubt amongst disability studies scholars and historians that government intervention was a massive benefit for the disabled population.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Well there would be something in their place then, unless you have no hope in the potential of people to do good for one another without government assistance. My point was that people made it work before there was government welfare and disability.
    When there wasn't enough charity to go around and orphanages, state hospitals and the like existed. Those places were houses of horror and mistreatment where the disabled languished in the most meager of existences. Unlearned and their potential to contribute to society, undeveloped.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    To what end result, JC? There is absolutely no doubt amongst disability studies scholars and historians that government intervention was a massive benefit for the disabled population.
    How can they possibly tell how things would've turned out without massive welfare? America became an incredible success story....the envy of the world, before we even had big government. Our potential was amazing, how does anyone know that we couldn't have handled disabilities better without big government?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    When there wasn't enough charity to go around and orphanages, state hospitals and the like existed. Those places were houses of horror and mistreatment where the disabled languished in the most meager of existences. Unlearned and their potential to contribute to society, undeveloped.
    That wasn't the case with every alms house, just like every government sponsored program isn't the greatest. Annie Sullivan did live under such circumstances as you've mentioned, and she turned out quite well. She was the only person in history who could reach someone like Keller. Why do you think that is....what made Sullivan so successful for someone who grew up at what would seem like such a disadvantage?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    That wasn't the case with every alms house, just like every government sponsored program isn't the greatest. Annie Sullivan did live under such circumstances as you've mentioned, and she turned out quite well. She was the only person in history who could reach someone like Keller. Why do you think that is....what made Sullivan so successful for someone who grew up at what would seem like such a disadvantage?
    I've read a biography of Annie Sullivan and though she turned out to be exceptional at communicating with Helen Keller, I could never sanction such an upbringing for any other child.
    Unexpected good has filled the chinks of frustration in my life. But at times melancholy without reason grips me as in a vice [sic]. A word, an odd inflection, the way somebody crosses the street, brings all the past before me with such amazing clearness and completeness, my heart stops beating for a moment. Then everything around me seems as it was so many years ago. Even the ugly frame-buildings are revived. Again I see the unsightly folk who hobbled, cursed, fed and snored like animals. I shiver recalling how I looked upon scenes of vile exposure—the open heart of a derelict is not a pleasant thing. I doubt if life, or eternity for that matter, is long enough to erase the errors and ugly blots scored upon my brain by those dismal years.
    From Annie herself. And it was Annie, not the disgusting conditions she endured that made her life what it became. Surely you do not advocate a return of such as she reported?
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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