View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    could you point me to where that is happening (in this country)?
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    and somehow you've been lead to believe that isn't a good thing?

    According to you the country has gone socialistic? If that's true how could the rich be getting richer, unless capitalism and those who benefit the most from it aren't being greedy beyond all that's sane?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Yes, we did it before welfare. Annie Sullivan grew up in an alms house which certainly wasn't ideal, but grew up to teach Helen Keller how to communicate. Before that, people like Keller were viewed by some as borderline animals with no hope of ever communicating. Imo, Sullivan gained a great deal of insight and empathy from her rough childhood that assisted her in helping Keller.
    Actually not long ago the lives of people with disabilities were often miserable. It is because of laws such as the ADA that millions of Americans can work and pay taxes. As for churches and families providing attendant care today compared to 40 or 50 years ago, it isn't the same thing. Decades ago assistive technology was nothing compared to what it is today. The same for durable medical equipment.

    Most everyone on DP will be directly affected by disability before they die. You will acquire a disability or someone you love will. Often it will be life changing. If not for US disability laws many people affected would soon become penniless and often isolated and alone. I am often amazed that people would turn a cold eye to that reality when they see it in others.

    You will be affected by a disability, chances are good that you will have one yourself. I hope you get one you like.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Doesnt really bother me either way to be honest, I obviously would hope my government caught those ripping off the system but I dont waste my time worrying about it. If someone wants to spend their short stay on this planet by being lazy and collecting checks then thats their waste.
    Man when my heart was totally screwed and I was stuck in bed an inordinate amount o time resting and sleeping I wanted more than anything to get and do things!

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    There's a low-income mental health and social work clinic in my area that I am making use of. They do much of the same thing, though their "job placement assistance" is questionable at best.
    Job placement is one of the hardest parts. It's a double-edged sword because by being associated with a mental health group, companies then know that your clients have a mental illness, and despite our best efforts to counter them, the stigma against people with mental illnesses is still way too high. When we try to place someone, the employer becomes aware of their mental illness, and in too many cases, they don['t want to hire a person with a mental illness. They can't legally say it outright, though, so they give the interview and then come up with some bull**** reason not to hire the person. People with mental illness have to deal with a ****load of discrimination.

    Right now I'm building a list of contacts for local companies that are friendly toward people with mental illness (as well as people with felony records, since many of my clients have them, too).
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Let's flip this shall we? If the general public hears about waste, fraud, and abuse constantly, but rarely investigates the claims and just takes it for granted, they are much more willing to accept that belief. I nearly always err on the side of skepticism anytime the general public comes up with a platitude. It has rarely held me back in getting to the truth. In this case it is waste, fraud, and abuse of the SSDI program.

    Low and behold Coburn's report. It throws up all of the goodies that folks generally too ignorant to bother themselves with fact checking want. Nevermind the fact that most institutionalized knowledge points in the other direction. No, no, we are the ones who are naive...not the ones who don't know any better.
    That. And still no one has produced Coburn's statute.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Your Social Security Disability is running out of money.
    Yes, but it isn't running out of money because of fraud-- at least, not disability fraud. One of the reasons it's running out of money is because the thieving whores in Congress took the money from the Social Security budget and spent it.

    The other is simple demographics. The life expectancy is advancing faster than the retirement age and the birth rate is falling, so more and more people are collecting Social Security per person collecting-- disability (and disability fraud), as big of an issue as it is, is a drop in the bucket compared to that. As it is right now, people are only expected to work at a career for a little over forty years, and then collect retirement benefits for fifteen on average-- with some people collecting Social Security for as long, or longer, than they worked. That's unsustainable.

    The top priorities, if we're to save Social Security, are to shore up flagging population growth rates and reform Social Security funding so that it's no longer vulnerable to legislative vultures.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Man when my heart was totally screwed and I was stuck in bed an inordinate amount o time resting and sleeping I wanted more than anything to get and do things!
    Yeh I can imagine its awful that's why I just dont understand people who live to do nothing. Makes no sense to me.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    they have twice this year, as two people I called attention to lost their benefits, people like you look the other way when people cheat the taxpayers, I am not one of them
    Do you turn people in who cheat on their taxes? Or who get goods under the table to avoid paying sales tax? etc etc.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    No, he said: You assume that I or anyone else should care?

    By that response, he doesn't care.
    Fair enough. Still, when you support a policy that makes others pay so that someone else gets a benefit from what they provide you are either assuming they care and thus attempting to do their bidding and hoping your assumption is correct or you are simply supporting your own agenda and not caring for them or their objection. The problem is there really is no way to do the former unless you just took from those that voluntarily gave to your cause, but then using the government towards those ends would no longer have any advantages and most likely get less than other means available.

    What if he doesn't really care about the plight of others? There is nothing you can say to make me believe that he should be forced to take part in any sort of assistance set up by any organization be that the government or some private group. The only argument that could be made is that he should be left alone and all the individuals that agree to help should do as they desire. You mentioned that America likes to claim they're a beacon of freedom and so I ask you, do you really think your mindset is upholding it? I would say without a shadow of a doubt, no.

    You are arguing that you didn't get a personal voice in how the government operated before you were born into this country. As a people, this is the government we have chosen. If there were great numbers who believed as you do, it would be different or change would be afoot to make it that way. There isn't. You live here by choice. Consider that.
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    The great personal benefits of using the government towards an agenda that cares little for human rights will almost surely get people to support it. However, am I actually free to leave? As someone that qualifies for the exit tax I would say no. In fact, I would say I'm punished if I do.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Fair enough. Still, when you support a policy that makes others pay so that someone else gets a benefit from what they provide you are either assuming they care and thus attempting to do their bidding and hoping your assumption is correct or you are simply supporting your own agenda and not caring for them or their objection. The problem is there really is no way to do the former unless you just took from those that voluntarily gave to your cause, but then using the government towards those ends would no longer have any advantages and most likely get less than other means available.

    What if he doesn't really care about the plight of others? There is nothing you can say to make me believe that he should be forced to take part in any sort of assistance set up by any organization be that the government or some private group. The only argument that could be made is that he should be left alone and all the individuals that agree to help should do as they desire. You mentioned that America likes to claim they're a beacon of freedom and so I ask you, do you really think your mindset is upholding it? I would say without a shadow of a doubt, no.



    "[The socialists declare] that the State owes subsistence, well-being, and education to all its citizens; that it should be generous, charitable, involved in everything, devoted to everybody; ...that it should intervene directly to relieve all suffering, satisfy and anticipate all wants, furnish capital to all enterprises, enlightenment to all minds, balm for all wounds, asylums for all the unfortunate, and even aid to the point of shedding French blood, for all oppressed people on the face of the earth."

    "...Finally...we shall see the entire people transformed into petitioners. Landed property, agriculture, industry, commerce, shipping, industrial companies, all will bestir themselves to claim favors from the State. The public treasury will be literally pillaged. Everyone will have good reasons to prove that legal fraternity should be interpreted in this sense: "Let me have the benefits, and let others pay the costs." Everyone's effort will be directed toward snatching a scrap of fraternal privilege from the legislature. The suffering classes, although having the greatest claim, will not always have the greatest success."

    The great personal benefits of using the government towards an agenda that cares little for human rights will almost surely get people to support it. However, am I actually free to leave? As someone that qualifies for the exit tax I would say no. In fact, I would say I'm punished if I do.
    The government pays for lots of services we don't all use, or would care to support. There are avid pacifists who would prefer not to support the military. There are retired people and child free who don't have kids, but none-the-less still pay taxes to support education. Taxes are not cafe style and people hold those beliefs as dearly as you hold yours against supporting welfare and disability.

    I don't understand, exit tax? Why aren't you free to go? Who will punish you, why and how?
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