View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I'm not taking it personally. I'm just saying that what you are talking about doing is something you could just have easily done to me; it's something that can and has happened to me in the past. It's why my initial filing and subsequent appeals have been denied, and why I spent a considerable portion of last year homeless.

    I'm not angry. I'm just saying why it's very understandable why someone else might be.
    The job I just got (and start on Monday) specializes in helping people who are in similar situations to yours, Kori. We house over 100 formerly-homeless people with mental illness, provide mental health therapy and support, and assist them in getting benefits such as disability as well as career training and job placement assistance.

    Is there anything like that for you in your area, or are you basically stuck fending for yourself?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I met another "disabled person" this morning that was loading up for a week trip to go horseback riding in Missouri. How disabled could that person really be, horses are alot of trouble and require high amounts of physical labor for care.

    It is becoming sickening seeing these types basically on early retirement while the rest of us work.
    If a person was on a career track and received an injury that interfered with their ability to carry on in that line of work then they can get disability because it is in society's best interest to "put them to pasture."

    The alternative is having them make an expensive transition to a new line of work at a late age and what we really want to do is get them out of the economy so someone younger can get started on their mortgage as fast as possible and the older person can get started on their retirement as fast as possible (which also has a useful economic role). You produce more capital that way.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That depends entirely on the money they make and the hours they put in, as I'm sure you are aware. BTW, my personal anecdote about the neighbor who worked while collecting disability, are you doubting me? You think I just jump to conclusions without ever talking with him, knowing him and being aware of his schedule? He was a roofer. LOL! Yeah, real disabled. He was a liar as are many people who go after disability, and a lot of the are seeking it out with fake "injuries" because the economy is still SO bad when it comes to jobs. WAIT until a couple of years after this Obamacare. It's going to be a disaster.
    I actually said that this should be part of the consideration for whether someone qualifies for getting paid benefits while still working. It should simply go on a scale based on what the person needs to live decently in their area and what they make (or are likely to make) based on their particularly disability.

    And no, I don't doubt your story. I just don't think that it is as widespread as some believe. It happens, but I have no idea what makes your neighbor qualified for disability. Just because someone is a roofer and can technically do the job doesn't mean they necessarily should be doing it or can legally do it. But they may be very good at it.

    My brothers have a serious nervous condition that prevents them from legally working many jobs, including things like power line work and such. Heck, my one brother qualified to defuse mines in the Army before he was diagnosed with the disorder. He shakes, a lot, when his hands aren't busy doing something else. He wasn't technically put out of his job in the Army, but he was relegated to truck driver for his unit because of it. He was denied a job to work on power lines because of his disorder. There are a lot of jobs that legally cannot risk people with certain conditions working there, even if technically the people are able to actually do the job and they are good at it.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I actually said that this should be part of the consideration for whether someone qualifies for getting paid benefits while still working. It should simply go on a scale based on what the person needs to live decently in their area and what they make (or are likely to make) based on their particularly disability.

    And no, I don't doubt your story. I just don't think that it is as widespread as some believe. It happens, but I have no idea what makes your neighbor qualified for disability. Just because someone is a roofer and can technically do the job doesn't mean they necessarily should be doing it or can legally do it. But they may be very good at it.

    My brothers have a serious nervous condition that prevents them from legally working many jobs, including things like power line work and such. Heck, my one brother qualified to defuse mines in the Army before he was diagnosed with the disorder. He shakes, a lot, when his hands aren't busy doing something else. He wasn't technically put out of his job in the Army, but he was relegated to truck driver for his unit because of it. He was denied a job to work on power lines because of his disorder. There are a lot of jobs that legally cannot risk people with certain conditions working there, even if technically the people are able to actually do the job and they are good at it.
    Look lady, you can't climb up and work on a roof in 90 degree temperatures all day long, every day if you are disabled. Come on! And yes, according to everything I've looked at, disability fraud is through the roof.

    If you are going to state that fraud is NOT a widespread problem in the disability program, then I would like you to provide links. I provided TWO that state the opposite of your claims, one is a statement by the head of the social security department.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Look lady, you can't climb up and work on a roof in 90 degree temperatures all day long, every day if you are disabled. Come on! And yes, according to everything I've looked at, disability fraud is through the roof.

    If you are going to state that fraud is NOT a widespread problem in the disability program, then I would like you to provide links. I provided TWO that state the opposite of your claims, one is a statement by the head of the social security department.
    No, the Social Security Administration has repeatedly stated that fraud is an issue affecting 1% or so of payments.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, the Social Security Administration has repeatedly stated that fraud is an issue affecting 1% or so of payments.
    Post a link.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Post a link.
    Again?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Again?
    I must have missed it.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    1%? Well thank heavens there's no issue with able bodied folks suckin down free money from Obama's stash
    that will leave plenty more dollars for green companies like solyndra

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I must have missed it.
    “Curbing Improper Payments” is the first objective under our 2008-2013 Agency Strategic Plan Goal to “Preserve the Public’s Trust in Our Programs.” When an individual applies for one of our disability programs, we have a system in place to ensure accurate decisions. Each year, we are statutorily required to review at least 50 percent of all State Disability Determination Services (DDS) initial and reconsideration allowances for SSDI and SSI disability for adults. Based on the results of these reviews in FY 2009—the most recent year for which data are available—the decision to allow or continue disability was correct in 98.9 percent of all favorable SSDI determinations and 99 percent of all favorable SSI disability determinations for adults. These reviews allow us to correct errors we find before we issue a final decision, resulting in an estimated $558 million in lifetime program savings, including savings accruing to Medicare and Medicaid. The return on investment has been roughly $11 for every $1 of the total cost of the reviews.

    Statement of Carolyn W. Colvin,
    Deputy Commissioner, Social Security Administration
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    House Committee on Ways and Means,
    Subcommittee on Social Security

    January 24, 2012
    Statement of Carolyn W. Colvin, Social Security Administration before the House Committee on Ways and Means

    http://www.gao.gov/assets/590/589681.pdf#page=9
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