View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It expands the number of insured, and mandates certain things such as parents being able to cover their children longer and insurance companies not being able to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions. That is not socialized medicine. Do you even know what socialized medicine is? Do you even know what the word socialism means?
    That would depend on what era and what strain of socialism you're talking about. What people like yourself practice comes from the 19th century. I would say that controlling the business decisions of insurance companies is socialist in nature as it removes ownership control of the business and puts in the hands of the government.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Just because they do things, or you see them doing things, doesn't mean they aren't disabled. Maybe they have severe arthritis that is mostly controlled with medications, but it can flair up and make it so that every few days they can't get out of bed. Very few jobs are going to be okay with an employee who is calling in at least once a week because they simply can't move.

    Sure there are some people who cheat the system, but just because you see someone who is doing something you don't think they should be doing because they qualify for disability doesn't mean they aren't disabled.
    Yes that's all true, but like I stated earlier, I've actually known several people when I was younger who were screwing over the system. There was a neighbor who worked under the table while collecting disability.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

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    The ACA will probably go down in history as the pivotal point that saves the American economy with the net present value of the unfunded liability of Medicare being $43 trillion. That is the single biggest, financial time bomb that this country faces in the near future without something being done about it.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Yes, we did it before welfare. Annie Sullivan grew up in an alms house which certainly wasn't ideal, but grew up to teach Helen Keller how to communicate. Before that, people like Keller were viewed by some as borderline animals with no hope of ever communicating. Imo, Sullivan gained a great deal of insight and empathy from her rough childhood that assisted her in helping Keller.
    There are no longer alms houses.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Yes, we did it before welfare. Annie Sullivan grew up in an alms house which certainly wasn't ideal, but grew up to teach Helen Keller how to communicate. Before that, people like Keller were viewed by some as borderline animals with no hope of ever communicating. Imo, Sullivan gained a great deal of insight and empathy from her rough childhood that assisted her in helping Keller.
    Finding anecdotal accounts in the past does not in any way negate the historical social reality of private aid for the disabled being lackluster in addressing the entire population.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually, all he confirmed is that he is against government imposed charity.



    "Try to imagine a regulation of labor imposed by force that is not a violation of liberty; a transfer of wealth imposed by force that is not a violation of property. If you cannot reconcile these contradictions, then you must conclude that the law cannot organize labor and industry without organizing injustice." - Frťdťric Bastiat

    I have quoted that at least twice now and yet no one wants to challenge the idea that when the government imposes a transfer of wealth by force that it's a violation of property. Perhaps because they know it is and they can't actually reconcile how they can claim they care for people when they support violating their rights.

    This line of yours "The nation is made better by caring for all its citizens" is basically talking about a unity and a fraternity that you desire to be there, but no matter what you do it will forever be artificial and imposed on the people. No one has organized on their own free will, no one is associating with others because they desire to do so, no one is helping anyone or doing anything they desire to do. It's all just forced upon them by the government for whatever agendas they desire to impose on the people. There is really no justice, no empathy, no ability to even consider people here at all.
    No, he said: You assume that I or anyone else should care?

    By that response, he doesn't care.

    You are arguing that you didn't get a personal voice in how the government operated before you were born into this country. As a people, this is the government we have chosen. If there were great numbers who believed as you do, it would be different or change would be afoot to make it that way. There isn't. You live here by choice. Consider that.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes that's all true, but like I stated earlier, I've actually known several people when I was younger who were screwing over the system. There was a neighbor who worked under the table while collecting disability.

    Widespread fraud reported in Social Security Administration's Disability Program | Fox News

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    There are certainly people who commit fraud in these systems, but they aren't nearly close to the majority of those who receive disability. And personally, I don't think that people should be penalized for working what they can to go beyond disability, at least not if it isn't really a big amount they earn (although it shouldn't be under the table). Someone who is disabled but able to work can only get $1000 a month in disability. So I don't have an issue with those people getting that and working some as well to earn a little more to live on. $1000 a month is not a lot of money, at all. And that is max amount. Now, it should work on a scale. And a person who qualifies for disability should not be completely disqualified because they have a job that earns them enough to not qualify for pay because there is always a chance they could lose that job due to their disability and they shouldn't have to redo all the paperwork to get paid again should it happen.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are certainly people who commit fraud in these systems, but they aren't nearly close to the majority of those who receive disability. And personally, I don't think that people should be penalized for working what they can to go beyond disability, at least not if it isn't really a big amount they earn (although it shouldn't be under the table). Someone who is disabled but able to work can only get $1000 a month in disability. So I don't have an issue with those people getting that and working some as well to earn a little more to live on. $1000 a month is not a lot of money, at all. And that is max amount. Now, it should work on a scale. And a person who qualifies for disability should not be completely disqualified because they have a job that earns them enough to not qualify for pay because there is always a chance they could lose that job due to their disability and they shouldn't have to redo all the paperwork to get paid again should it happen.
    I don't think you're understanding just how deep the fraud goes. Did you read the links?

    And NO, if someone can work, then they do not get disability. We just cannot afford it as a nation. I would advise you to take a look at what the government brings in monthly and what they spend per month. Also, take a look at the national deficit ticker. What you are suggesting is just impossible and will eventually destroy our country.

    The Social Security disability assistance program, which provides more than $200 billion in benefits to nearly 14 million Americans annually, is at risk of running out of funding by 2016, according to the trustees who oversee the program.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think you're understanding just how deep the fraud goes. Did you read the links?

    And NO, if someone can work, then they do not get disability. We just cannot afford it as a nation. I would advise you to take a look at what the government brings in monthly and what they spend per month. Also, take a look at the national deficit ticker. What you are suggesting is just impossible and will eventually destroy our country.
    People qualify now for disability even if they are working because many jobs that some get are only parttime or lowpay anyway and they could lose those jobs at any time due to their disability.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    People qualify now for disability even if they are working because many jobs that some get are only parttime or lowpay anyway and they could lose those jobs at any time due to their disability.
    That depends entirely on the money they make and the hours they put in, as I'm sure you are aware. BTW, my personal anecdote about the neighbor who worked while collecting disability, are you doubting me? You think I just jump to conclusions without ever talking with him, knowing him and being aware of his schedule? He was a roofer. LOL! Yeah, real disabled. He was a liar as are many people who go after disability, and a lot of the are seeking it out with fake "injuries" because the economy is still SO bad when it comes to jobs. WAIT until a couple of years after this Obamacare. It's going to be a disaster.

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