View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Yeah Rocky why in the hell do you think you've a right to the fruits of your labors?
    Doncha know these disabled folks are another excuse to make you a slave to the State?
    Where is your compassion for these faceless nameless disabled kiddies? (do it for the children)
    Isn't the supposed need of an autistic child more than enough to keep you in chains all your life
    handing over more than half of your paycheck to a bankrupt government?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    hah just you wait n see you commies
    the guys that are like Rocket that whine n moan about being taxed into the lower classes
    who have this creeping sensation that they are saps for working while others go on vacation on their dime
    who because of their value system couldn't imagine going on the dole

    they will get old and have their hands out too

    and the younger generation is going to look at all this and say: Hell No
    can't you see where its inevitably going to end up?
    where these things always end up?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    This thread needs a bunch of mindless political cliches. Whoever could supply that for us.
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Yeah Rocky why in the hell do you think you've a right to the fruits of your labors?
    Doncha know these disabled folks are another excuse to make you a slave to the State?
    Where is your compassion for these faceless nameless disabled kiddies? (do it for the children)
    Isn't the supposed need of an autistic child more than enough to keep you in chains all your life
    handing over more than half of your paycheck to a bankrupt government?
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    hah just you wait n see you commies
    the guys that are like Rocket that whine n moan about being taxed into the lower classes
    who have this creeping sensation that they are saps for working while others go on vacation on their dime
    who because of their value system couldn't imagine going on the dole

    they will get old and have their hands out too

    and the younger generation is going to look at all this and say: Hell No
    can't you see where its inevitably going to end up?
    where these things always end up?
    Oh, well that got taken care of...
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Yeah Rocky why in the hell do you think you've a right to the fruits of your labors?
    Doncha know these disabled folks are another excuse to make you a slave to the State?
    Where is your compassion for these faceless nameless disabled kiddies? (do it for the children)
    Isn't the supposed need of an autistic child more than enough to keep you in chains all your life
    handing over more than half of your paycheck to a bankrupt government?
    And yet many of the disabled need the government in order to achieve independence. The libertarian/objectivist philosophy is a tremendous rejection of reality.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    sry buddy if you are trying to appeal to my compassion as a means to enslave
    me and tens of millions of other Americans, we are not that silly

    yes without the government forcibly redistributing wealth people will perish
    sounds not only silly but downright sad that there's anyone that would buy into such bollocks?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oh, well that got taken care of...
    wow I'm feeling so pwned right about now?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    And yet many of the disabled need the government in order to achieve independence. The libertarian/objectivist philosophy is a tremendous rejection of reality.
    They'll never get it. The libertarians simply don't understand that they will pay anyway, whether through taxes or through other means. It's the price of living in a modern first-world nation. They're just bitching about having to pay the price of admission.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    sry buddy if you are trying to appeal to my compassion as a means to enslave
    me and tens of millions of other Americans, we are not that silly

    yes without the government forcibly redistributing wealth people will perish
    sounds not only silly but downright sad that there's anyone that would buy into such bollocks?
    What do you suppose would happen to them?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    So I've been thinkin' on this and how to corral my opinion into an answer. Obviously some disabilities none of us would argue, others seem like, well yeah, they are disabilities but they are one's you should be able to overcome through medical/psychological help or education. So I guess if I were to suggest a solution rather than trying to put some ideal of a line in stone that there will always be some circumstance that needs to come over that line, either direction, I think there is a solution that might work regardless of where the line is. Simply have temporary disability. Okay, so you're a quadriplegic or such, permanent. But things like back injuries to depression, make them temporary and generous enough to allow for re-education wherein that extra generosity must go directly to the educator upon enrollment with milestones required.

    Here's what I see that sort of bugs me but ....
    Well I know a woman in Boise who gets disability because she had severe depression (yeah, right) because she worked at IDT. So I see her taking a walk in front of my house and I go out and visit with her, and she's not f'ing depressed. She thrilled, never have to work again, etc. I wanted to bitchslap her.
    Now I'm not saying that decades at the highly energized and poitical IDT didn't cause severe depression, but clearly she was over it, and should be back to a job, just not that job.
    I even believe that she should have had the time to recover before she had to find another job, hence temporary disability.

    I don't see how this can't be expanded to nearly all disabilities that fall into those questionable areas. Clearly an adult with a brain injury, or mental incapacity, those that can't be mobile at all, those whose pain can't be controlled (ie you never really see them in such as light as to think they're having fun), too old to be retrained for a job with a livable wage, well those still get permanent. Everything else gets temporary and has to be renewed with top lifetime limits.

    Anyway, that's my hairbrained idea.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    sry buddy if you are trying to appeal to my compassion as a means to enslave
    me and tens of millions of other Americans, we are not that silly

    yes without the government forcibly redistributing wealth people will perish
    sounds not only silly but downright sad that there's anyone that would buy into such bollocks?
    Conservatives and libertarians uphold the viewpoint that it is better if you teach a man how to fish than give him fish. Libertarians and conservatives argue that to do otherwise enslaves that person to the state and makes him/her less independent. The truth of the matter is, without government aid and services, that same individual is much more likely to be impoverished, dependent, and insulated from the community. For instance, there is no way my brother could have lived in an apartment or have a job without government aid and services. His job (aided with government money and service) matched with SSI benefits allow him to be more independent and productive in society. Had we listened to the libertarians and many conservatives, we would have undermined that conservative value of independence and productivity, and my own brother would be forced to be even more dependent upon our family, and ever so unlikely to have competitive employment. That's the way it is.
    Last edited by Fiddytree; 10-17-13 at 08:33 PM.
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