View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It means that people with disabilities are often underemployed and un-employed and that when times are tight it is worse for people with disabilities.
    That doesn't make sense. Disability should not be in any way tied to economic and job market factors. People don't suddenly become disabled when the economy tanks. They exploit the disability program when the economy tanks. Big difference.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You're the first person I've ever seen that randomly knows of and mentions this disease. 99 out of 100 times I have people look at me like I'm speaking greek when I say it.
    Someone with Meniere's does not fit the "disabled' mold for the uniformed. Almost everyone here critical of disability accommodation holds the opinion that a person must have an obvious physical condition to be disabled. Of course they are terribly misinformed but it seems Americans need to see the physical manifestation of a disability before they can feel any empathy. And if they can see the physical manifestation they immediately understand and know all of the functional limitations.

    A person with Meniere's looks "normal". No sympathy for you! Meniere's is characterized by a triad of symptoms: progressive and fluctuating hearing loss, tinitus and bouts of vertigo that can range from mild to violent. "Yeah, but you heard me fine 20 minutes ago." "Why are you laying on the floor in your office? Are you sure you aren't joking? You were talking and laughing at lunch."

    According to Dapper Andy you aren't disabled and would should therefore with the appropriate education be qualified to be a surgeon, a steel worker, an electrician or a sonar operator.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    That analogy does not work. You can not compare some getting a few bucks a month from disability when they shouldn't to people getting forced into prostitution. You are equating some getting money without working (a clear win for them) to some being enslaved in prostitution (a clear loss for them). Or we could say, yes, my argument still holds. You do not keep everyone from coming to the country so that some don't end up being forced into prostitution, you crack down on the people who put them there...you improve the oversight
    Which was the main point of this thread and if you took the time to read the poll and votes you would have seen that instead of all that nonsense

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    That doesn't make sense. Disability should not be in any way tied to economic and job market factors. People don't suddenly become disabled when the economy tanks. They exploit the disability program when the economy tanks. Big difference.
    People with disabilities suddenly become forcibly unemployed when the economy tanks. In addition there are other factors that haven't been mentioned. The largest single age demographic in America is Boomers. Boomers began to cross the threshold of age related disability at almost the exact same time as the economic downturn. Boomers are a huge demographic and good or bad they have impacted and influenced every stage of life they have encountered largely because there are so many Boomers. Boomers were making the relatively larger salaries and had the larger pensions and had more disabilities than younger workers. They lost their jobs. Factor all that in. There is your big difference.

    I'm not saying that disability fraud doesn't exist, but I am saying it is much, much more complex than you may realize.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    There are all types of disabilities, yours seems to be a complete lack of knowledge in what you are talking about.

    That guy getting ready for a ride may very well be stage 4 cancer, how the **** would you know otherwise? Or next week the same guy may very well be qualified by your personal opinion on disabilities but he will be at home or in a hospital.

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    All aboard, another extremist, hell no he does not have cancer, he has more hair than the duck dynasty cast combined, jesus ****ing christ

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Which was the main point of this thread and if you took the time to read the poll and votes you would have seen that instead of all that nonsense
    You're dodging my point. Your analogy is stupid
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Actually while I agree with your sentiment, horse riding is used as a therapeutic approach for many disabilities. Our neighbors actually are a retired couple that provide this service for mentally and physically disabled kids.
    totally different scenario

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Someone with Meniere's does not fit the "disabled' mold for the uniformed. Almost everyone here critical of disability accommodation holds the opinion that a person must have an obvious physical condition to be disabled. Of course they are terribly misinformed but it seems Americans need to see the physical manifestation of a disability before they can feel any empathy. And if they can see the physical manifestation they immediately understand and know all of the functional limitations.

    A person with Meniere's looks "normal". No sympathy for you! Meniere's is characterized by a triad of symptoms: progressive and fluctuating hearing loss, tinitus and bouts of vertigo that can range from mild to violent. "Yeah, but you heard me fine 20 minutes ago." "Why are you laying on the floor in your office? Are you sure you aren't joking? You were talking and laughing at lunch."

    According to Dapper Andy you aren't disabled and would should therefore with the appropriate education be qualified to be a surgeon, a steel worker, an electrician or a sonar operator.
    Thankfully my case is relatively minor with the help of medication, though it had got kind of bad at a point prior to getting it professionally diagnosed or treated. Unless the hearing loss that I experience at times starts spreading to both ears, or my vertigo attacks go back to the level/frequency they were pre-medication, I doubt I'd ever actually attempt to note it as any kind of "official" disability with regards to employment, etc.

    Thankfully, every boss I've had since having it diagnosed has been amazingly understanding of the issue even if they don't all fully understand it. I think it helps that when I start to have an attack, or am having a consistent minor one, it's rather OBVIOUS to them that there's something out of the norm going on with me.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    People with disabilities suddenly become unemployed when the economy tanks.
    So do people without disabilities.

    In addition there are other factors that haven't been mentioned. The largest single age demographic in America is Boomers. Boomers began to cross the threshold of age related disability at almost the exact same time as the economic downturn. Boomers are a huge demographic and good or bad they have impacted and influenced every stage of life they have encountered largely because there are so many Boomers. Boomers were making the relatively larger salaries and had the larger pensions and had more disabilities than younger workers. Factor all that in. There is your big difference.
    If it's swelling with an aging boomer population, that's one thing, but if it spikes in conjunction with an economic downturn, it signifies either people are using SSDI as a permanent unemployment program, or that we're defining disability according to ability to find and secure a job, rather than the physical and mental ability to perform job tasks.

    "I'm having a hard time finding a job, so I'm going to argue that I'm incapable of working."

    On the bright side, at least the unemployment rate goes down when they exit the "actively seeking work" pool! Great news for the economy!

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    Not everyone whose disabled has their legs amputated and are in a wheel chair. Is there fraud? Absolutely. Without question there is. But telling people off and giving them a piece of your mind and harassing them because someone THINKS they are being fraudulent doesn't do anything to "fix" the system...but it does likely lead to many people who are legitimately handicapped having to suffer from harassment and vitriol by ignorant bafoons who don't have 1/10th of the proper knowledge, expertise, or standing to question their condition.

    Quoted for truth. And what can happen when these people are confronted by an unqualified person, is that they can become less likely to venture out for fear of harassment. So their quality of life is even more greatly affected. No one should have to justify their condition to people who have no right to know about it in the first place.
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