View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    What specifically should "disability" mean when it comes to qualifying for SSDI? That is the important question.

    If disability claims spike during a recession, if there are unusually higher percentages of people on SSDI in economically depressed communities, and so forth, that is a bad sign, because it probably means people are turning to SSDI because they can't secure a job. That is not what disability is. If it was, then a lot of 22-year old college graduates would be "disabled."

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What specifically should "disability" mean when it comes to qualifying for SSDI? That is the important question.

    If disability claims spike during a recession, if there are unusually higher percentages of people on SSDI in economically depressed communities, and so forth, that is a bad sign, because it probably means people are turning to SSDI because they can't secure a job. That is not what disability is. If it was, then a lot of 22-year old college graduates would be "disabled."
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    The definition of disability under Social Security is different than other programs. Social Security pays only for total disability. No benefits are payable for partial disability or for short-term disability.

    "Disability" under Social Security is based on your inability to work. We consider you disabled under Social Security rules if:

    You cannot do work that you did before;
    We decide that you cannot adjust to other work because of your medical condition(s); and
    Your disability has lasted or is expected to last for at least one year or to result in death.
    This is a strict definition of disability. Social Security program rules assume that working families have access to other resources to provide support during periods of short-term disabilities, including workers' compensation, insurance, savings and investments.


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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Working people that see these people taking advantage of the system care. The statute reads and I quote "IF you are physically able to perform ANY job you aren't qualified for disability"
    What statute? Put it out here so that we might all have your wisdom.

    You are saying then that blind people are not disabled? How about someone with Menieré's Disease? Is someone with multiple chemical sensitivity disease disabled? Talk to us about people who have cancer or progressive diseases and tell us which ones should and which ones should not include public accommodations. Explain to us how all disabilities are constant in their limitations and never vary. Tell us how if a person with a disability is going to have a bad day, they know it before they go to the store. Explain to me how the world is just as accessible for people with disabilities and why we have soooo many people in positions of power and authority who are disabled?










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Disability has become so rife with corruption that I don't even think there is any point in keeping it at all. People who hurt themselves at work because of an employer's negligence should sue for damages and compensation. That's it. End it entirely.

    After decades of abuse, the authorities have finally starting going after Long Island Railroad employees who fraudulently claim disability and it's been sickening. I always thought it was an exaggeration when railroad employees said nearly everyone goes out on disability but then Newsday published a chart of retirees and retirees claiming disability and it turns out nearly everyone goes out on disability. On a given year 150+ employees who retire, 140+ of them go out on disability, and nearly all of them see one of two or three doctors.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What specifically should "disability" mean when it comes to qualifying for SSDI? That is the important question.

    If disability claims spike during a recession, if there are unusually higher percentages of people on SSDI in economically depressed communities, and so forth, that is a bad sign, because it probably means people are turning to SSDI because they can't secure a job. That is not what disability is. If it was, then a lot of 22-year old college graduates would be "disabled."
    It means that people with disabilities are often underemployed and un-employed and that when times are tight it is worse for people with disabilities. They are often the first to be sacked. They are certainly among the last to be hired.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Disability has become so rife with corruption that I don't even think there is any point in keeping it at all. People who hurt themselves at work because of an employer's negligence should sue for damages and compensation. That's it. End it entirely.

    After decades of abuse, the authorities have finally starting going after Long Island Railroad employees who fraudulently claim disability and it's been sickening. I always thought it was an exaggeration when railroad employees said nearly everyone goes out on disability but then Newsday published a chart of retirees and retirees claiming disability and it turns out nearly everyone goes out on disability. On a given year 150+ employees who retire, 140+ of them go out on disability, and nearly all of them see one of two or three doctors.
    Prove it, give us the comparable data from reliable sources. You have obviously reached your position from reading reliable research or you don't really know what the **** you are talking about. Show us.










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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    How about someone with Menieré's Disease?
    You're the first person I've ever seen that randomly knows of and mentions this disease. 99 out of 100 times I have people look at me like I'm speaking greek when I say it.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Prove it, give us the comparable data from reliable sources. You have obviously reached your position from reading reliable research or you don't really know what the **** you are talking about. Show us.
    Obviously I don't think for a second you're going to read anything I post but the paper has a whole section online dedicated to coverage of the ongoing LIRR pension fraud issue that you can peruse. You may need to be a subscriber though.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You don't seem to understand a lot about how VA works. You only get "free stuff", including money in connection to what you are qualified for. You do have to prove PTSD, or at least provide proof that you did something/experienced something that was likely to result in PTSD plus show signs of it.

    Forensic Validity of a PTSD Diagnosis - NATIONAL CENTER for PTSD

    It's possible that my husband had PTSD right after Iraq (considering how he acted for a year or two after), but then again it could have been simply a hard time readjusting. I'm not a doctor. But it also depends on what functioning level you are at.

    I qualify for certain VA claims due to my job, including claims based on hearing loss (engine rooms are loud, even with hearing protection) and exposure to ionizing radiation (which ups my chance of cancer by about .04% over the base chance everyone faces). Then there was my broken nose (due to faulty equipment). Have I done it? No. But that doesn't mean I might not do it if I end up with problems associated with any of these things.

    But if we went ahead and put in place a UHC, it would reduce the need for people making false claims, especially for things not needed.

    But how many people have went into a battlezone or left the military since Obama became POTUS? How many left just before and simply put off applying for it til now? Plus, what is the big deal about veterans getting the care they need? It only goes toward their service connected disability.
    A thread on combat PTSD would be a good thread considering how many vets there are on the PD from the Vietnam War to Afghanistan. I have my own theories that many who been there and done that and who are in the military or VA medical fields concur with.

    Look at the Marines, sailors and soldiers who fought in the Pacific theater during WW ll, nothing comparable to Korea, Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan and why so little combat PTSD ? Or why Marines who served in Vietnam have less PTSD claims than soldiers. And what's with POG's who served in Iraq or Afghanistan filing combat PTSD claims ?

    I came across an article recently from an interview of the Army's Chief of Staff and the Commandant of the Marine Corps during the early 70's. It was about the first social engineering/dumbing down of Army basic training. Eliminating a few things like midnight inspections and a couple of more. Then they turned to the Commandant and asked if the Marine Corps going to follow suit and dumb down Marine Corps recruit training and he said no. Then he went in to why. Pretty interesting, I need to dig it up and start a new thread.

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