View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I've seen someone get put on his ass for accusing someone of parking in a disabled zone when they felt he wasn't eligible. The guy doing the accusing was an idiot, carrying on like a maniac and he picked the wrong person. I bet he finds a new "hobby" now.

    (This happened outside of the hospital not far from where ambulances sometimes have to queue for patient transfers. - The guy parked in the disabled zone was waiting for his wife who was wheelchair bound and in having her chemo session whietch he told me usually lasted for 2 hours. He'd just got back to pick her up and he had every right to be there.)
    I have resisted the urge to drop kick the folks mouthing off or giving me bad looks. It is funny. I do the right thing for the right reasons and I get judged in such a way. My crime is helping my mobility impaired oxygen ridden elderly mother to the store. When I come out with groceries first and load up the car is when I get the remarks or bad looks. I think someone even snapped a picture or took a video of me with their phone once. The one time someone that mouthed off waited for me to come out with my mom, she didn't even have the integrity to apologize.

    Sometimes what I do is stop in a loading zone if a store employee is present and they help her with a motorized scooter. Then I go get the handicapped spot. This gives me two chances at being harassed. Someone actually said - if you can do that, why take a handicapped spot, are you lazy? I say that when my mom comes out in a scooter, she needs the extra space to negotiate the scooter.

    Again, tell me, why do I do I have to justify myself when I am doing the right things for the right reasons in a legal way.

    I swear, if that video ever showed up on a "people behaving badly" website, I would create my own website "Assholes without integrity enough to find out the whole story" and let them eat their words/videos.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I met another "disabled person" this morning that was loading up for a week trip to go horseback riding in Missouri. How disabled could that person really be, horses are alot of trouble and require high amounts of physical labor for care.

    It is becoming sickening seeing these types basically on early retirement while the rest of us work.
    There are all types of disabilities, yours seems to be a complete lack of knowledge in what you are talking about.

    That guy getting ready for a ride may very well be stage 4 cancer, how the **** would you know otherwise? Or next week the same guy may very well be qualified by your personal opinion on disabilities but he will be at home or in a hospital.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    One of the many jobs I had while going to school included a stint at a states Vocational Rehabilitation office.
    For those unaware their purpose is to help individuals with disabilities get the skill sets they need in order to find employment. I worked more as an internal consultant but I learned a lot from the job. Including that disabilities that can make employment difficult to near impossible come in a lot of different forms.

    You could have a person in great physical shape that suffers from seizures constantly which pretty much makes it impossible for him to hold employment...or he's stuck at a dead end job because employers don't want to deal with all the potential ways his seizures can cause them problems. So the person still needs health coverage...maybe they are working at some part time job for extra money but actually holding down a full time job and advancing is nearly impossible.

    How about someone with chronic depression or schizophrenia? Disability may be what they need in order to get their medication. If they aren't on their medication they can't hold down a job. Most employers are wary about hiring individuals with mental health disabilities.

    So.....I guess my point is....disabilities that make holding down a job range from the classic example of someone bedridden to disabilities that when you meet a person face to face you could never recognize. Let's stop with the practice of judging people when you're ignorant of their condition. I'm all for checks in the disability system to prevent fraud. It stops people that really need it from getting it. That also means it's not your role to criticize or act belligerent towards individuals where you are ignorant of their condition.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I set forth the legal definition under the two federal laws

    an impairment that causes a substantial limitation on a major life function

    of course some jobs can be done with such limitations. a software designer can work from a wheelchair

    a police officer or firefighter-not so much. You can still be considered disabled under federal law even if your disability has no impact on your job
    The problem is the person she was responding to in this post put forward a completely different definition.

    An impairment that causes a substantial limitaiton on a major life function is SIGNIFICANTLY different than "if you can perform ANY job, you can't qualify for disability"

    My mother is one of those disabled folks that likely most would ignorantly see and just assume isn't. She has a condition in her foot known as RSD or CRPS depending on what term you want to use. Basically, the nerves in and around her foot are constantly firing in a hyper sensitive pain reading manner. To give a reference, the McGill pain scale for Chronic pain arthritis is about an 18, chronic back pain at about 29, an amputation of a digit coming in around 40, and RSD checks in around 48 as the highest on the scale.

    The pain is always present, but the severity comes and goes. During good times she can function somewhat normally, in large part because she's always had a good pain tolerance. During the bad times, she's got no recourse other than to put her head in a pillow and scream and cry until she can pass out.

    She can't wear socks or tight fitting shoes because it creates significant pain all along the foot if she has a flare up. Even when seemingly acting "normal", her memory and ability to concentrate is significantly impaired because she rarely is able to actually partake in any kind of actual, restful, rejuvinative sleep. Attacks are random, though there are various things that can help induce (such as stress), and can be utterly dabilitating when they happen.

    She does not "look" like a disabled person. She continues to make herself get up and go around and try and live a normal life because it's about the only thing that held her remains sane. Many with the disease don't, they stay hole up in their home causing atrophy to set into the limbs and many typically end in suicide. Trying to be as "normal" as possible keeps her moving, keeps her sane, and keeps her fighting against this. Yet to ignorant assholes leveraging "well I pay taxes and it goes into the system so I can speak my mind to any person I want that I think is faking it", I'm sure at times she may not "look" like she's "disabled".

    What employer wants someone whose regularly medicated? Who is completely unable to be counted on as they could be stricten unable to reasonable function at any given time, for any given length of time? Who can not wear professional dress? Whose mind is reasonably cloudy and apt to miss details? What employer for what kind of job would actively seek to take on such a liability? Please, if you know it then it'd be wonderful to hear and I'll forward the information onto her. I can not speak for all disabled people, I can speak for my mother however...there's no doubt that if she COULD reasonably work a job she would. From the moment me and my Sister was out of the house she was working because it provided her with some actual new purpose and enjoyment in life. It provided additional income to allow her some of the freedom for things she enjoyed in life. Being placed on disability doesn't do any of those; the primary benefit of it for her was the fact that she'll no longer need to be paying significant money per month for COBRA (she previously had insurance through her job, which she was no longer able to work and had to part ways with).

    Not everyone whose disabled has their legs amputated and are in a wheel chair. Is there fraud? Absolutely. Without question there is. But telling people off and giving them a piece of your mind and harassing them because someone THINKS they are being fraudulent doesn't do anything to "fix" the system...but it does likely lead to many people who are legitimately handicapped having to suffer from harassment and vitriol by ignorant bafoons who don't have 1/10th of the proper knowledge, expertise, or standing to question their condition.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I met another "disabled person" this morning that was loading up for a week trip to go horseback riding in Missouri. How disabled could that person really be, horses are alot of trouble and require high amounts of physical labor for care.

    It is becoming sickening seeing these types basically on early retirement while the rest of us work.
    Actually while I agree with your sentiment, horse riding is used as a therapeutic approach for many disabilities. Our neighbors actually are a retired couple that provide this service for mentally and physically disabled kids.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I never said the person was committing fraud, I'm saying the entire system is a fraud.

    I could go down to the VA tomorrow and file a combat PTSD claim and I don't have to prove it and the VA can't prove I don't have it. And there are thousands of vets who have done it because it's FREE STUFF.

    I know more than a few who have done it and they asked why don't I do it ? It's free money.

    How many Americans have filed disability claims since Obama has become POTUS ?
    You don't seem to understand a lot about how VA works. You only get "free stuff", including money in connection to what you are qualified for. You do have to prove PTSD, or at least provide proof that you did something/experienced something that was likely to result in PTSD plus show signs of it.

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    It's possible that my husband had PTSD right after Iraq (considering how he acted for a year or two after), but then again it could have been simply a hard time readjusting. I'm not a doctor. But it also depends on what functioning level you are at.

    I qualify for certain VA claims due to my job, including claims based on hearing loss (engine rooms are loud, even with hearing protection) and exposure to ionizing radiation (which ups my chance of cancer by about .04% over the base chance everyone faces). Then there was my broken nose (due to faulty equipment). Have I done it? No. But that doesn't mean I might not do it if I end up with problems associated with any of these things.

    But if we went ahead and put in place a UHC, it would reduce the need for people making false claims, especially for things not needed.

    But how many people have went into a battlezone or left the military since Obama became POTUS? How many left just before and simply put off applying for it til now? Plus, what is the big deal about veterans getting the care they need? It only goes toward their service connected disability.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    awesome
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, it's not just examples. It's meant to make a point. Here's what happens. By all accounts we have maybe, what, knowledge of 1% that are taking advantage of the system unfairly. Now, burrowed underneath is centuries of resentment and disgust of the disabled burrowing up, and we get neighbors or random people calling up to say so and so is a fraud. Then on the systematic level, based off of little else than speculation, we blow up the concern by stating that even though we do not have evidence that it is a massive (enough to cause regular beneficiaries to worry about their damn neighbors looking at them funny) problem, that doesn't mean there isn't a massive problem down deep. I'm sorry, but it's just another connected issue that many of us have dealt with for years. Uneducated, unqualified yahoos thinking they know what we get and what we ought to get, even though there is no way on God's green earth they would for a second tolerate the same kind of rude behavior or audaciousness. There's many of us who have been approached, out of nowhere, by someone, anyone, that we are frauds or somehow we are being unfair to you folks. It's ridiculous behavior.
    Dr. Tom Coburn's Senate investigation found 25% fraudulent cases out of 300 studied. If that's anywhere near a representative sample I'd say the 1% number is a bit low.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well gee, I think it's a given that a paralyzed person can't work. I think he's trying to say, people you see out in their yards, doing yard work, working on their vehicles, all kinds of other things.
    Just because they do things, or you see them doing things, doesn't mean they aren't disabled. Maybe they have severe arthritis that is mostly controlled with medications, but it can flair up and make it so that every few days they can't get out of bed. Very few jobs are going to be okay with an employee who is calling in at least once a week because they simply can't move.

    Sure there are some people who cheat the system, but just because you see someone who is doing something you don't think they should be doing because they qualify for disability doesn't mean they aren't disabled.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt E View Post
    The problem is that poor people cannot get jobs where they sit down. Everything's fine for people like me (I'm a software developer), but if you're poor, you have to stand up. There is not a single job where you don't have to, and that will kill anyone's back if done for 8 hours per day, every day, without even considering wheelchairs. Workers at walmart need to be given stools, and getting a proper education needs to be cheaper. College tuition has skyrocketed, and we're talking about state-owned schools, which are taking their huge endowments and paying it to their professor ameritouses (as opposed to the regular old professors) and charging students for the rest.
    You must break away from your computer screen and look around a little more. There are plenty of sit down jobs for poor. Receptionist comes to mind. I used to work at a plant many years ago that made rubber car and appliance parts. The entire inspection department sat to work. Low skill, low physical requirement job.

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