View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm just surprised that more people, ESPECIALLY those who are legitimately disabled, are not sickened by the fraudsters.
    We are, but what you don't understand is that most of us have been attacked by people saying the things people are saying in this thread. Almost all of us have been accused of faking or exaggerating our conditions to get undeserved benefits. There's merit to the argument that frauds prevent people like us from getting the benefits we need and deserve-- but so do the people who deny that anything short of being confined to a bed or a wheelchair is a disability.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    You are assuming they would even do that, every day, 8 hours a day. Your assumption abound in this thread. You don't know what a person's disability is without examining their private medical files or the granted disability claim. Though one can putter in a yard or field does not mean they are capable of performing and attending a full time job.

    I've already conceded. There are frauds, but not everyone on disability is a fraud nor confined to their home 24/7. Is that what you are after? Confinement?
    I set forth the legal definition under the two federal laws

    an impairment that causes a substantial limitation on a major life function

    of course some jobs can be done with such limitations. a software designer can work from a wheelchair

    a police officer or firefighter-not so much. You can still be considered disabled under federal law even if your disability has no impact on your job



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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    We are, but what you don't understand is that most of us have been attacked by people saying the things people are saying in this thread. Almost all of us have been accused of faking or exaggerating our conditions to get undeserved benefits. There's merit to the argument that frauds prevent people like us from getting the benefits we need and deserve-- but so do the people who deny that anything short of being confined to a bed or a wheelchair is a disability.
    People have been picking on YOU personally? Because I was under the impression that the thread was about fraudsters. The point is, we cannot afford to give disability to people for every ailment they might suffer. If they CAN work, even part-time, then they should not be collecting disability payments. There are sit-down jobs, standing jobs, jobs with a combination of the two.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Here is what I always think when people bring up these examples. No good deed goes unpunished. There is a system in place for people who need it because people need it. We must assume that some will take advantage of it. The thing is, you don't stop caring for those who need it because some undeserving are sneaking along for the ride. I mean, while I wish it was not the case it is the reality of every well intended act (or program in this case) that some will take advantage. But until someone can prove that more take advantage then deserve it, why will not abandon the deserving majority.
    So let's put that thinking to another type of fraud that takes place in this country but not by the government, our doctors, or some attorneys.

    Many foreign women and men get the opportunity to come to this country for a better life. In some cases they are offered internships to repay the debt for helping them come here and it is all legit.

    In other cases young women and men are forced into prostitution becoming victims themselves. Should we overlook this practice because many of the people that come are legit?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    The problem is that poor people cannot get jobs where they sit down. Everything's fine for people like me (I'm a software developer), but if you're poor, you have to stand up. There is not a single job where you don't have to, and that will kill anyone's back if done for 8 hours per day, every day, without even considering wheelchairs. Workers at walmart need to be given stools, and getting a proper education needs to be cheaper. College tuition has skyrocketed, and we're talking about state-owned schools, which are taking their huge endowments and paying it to their professor ameritouses (as opposed to the regular old professors) and charging students for the rest.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    I had a 10% ejection fraction when I got it. I never wanted to stop though, working towards my goals.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt E View Post
    The problem is that poor people cannot get jobs where they sit down. Everything's fine for people like me (I'm a software developer), but if you're poor, you have to stand up. There is not a single job where you don't have to, and that will kill anyone's back if done for 8 hours per day, every day, without even considering wheelchairs. Workers at walmart need to be given stools, and getting a proper education needs to be cheaper. College tuition has skyrocketed, and we're talking about state-owned schools, which are taking their huge endowments and paying it to their professor ameritouses (as opposed to the regular old professors) and charging students for the rest.
    There are plenty of jobs that people can get sitting down. Factory workers for one.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There are plenty of jobs that people can get sitting down. Factory workers for one.
    yep, we have several here where the workers sit all day

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    If I were king, I would eliminate disability. In its place, I would give similar benefits to anyone who wanted them. No disability required. Disability lawyers out of business overnight. No more stories of legitimate disabled people being denied for years. No fraud, because fraud isn't possible when there's no requirements to be met. Anyone who wanted to live on more than the low level of subsistence we provide the disabled would still have reason to acquire a job.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    So let's put that thinking to another type of fraud that takes place in this country but not by the government, our doctors, or some attorneys.

    Many foreign women and men get the opportunity to come to this country for a better life. In some cases they are offered internships to repay the debt for helping them come here and it is all legit.

    In other cases young women and men are forced into prostitution becoming victims themselves. Should we overlook this practice because many of the people that come are legit?
    That analogy does not work. You can not compare some getting a few bucks a month from disability when they shouldn't to people getting forced into prostitution. You are equating some getting money without working (a clear win for them) to some being enslaved in prostitution (a clear loss for them). Or we could say, yes, my argument still holds. You do not keep everyone from coming to the country so that some don't end up being forced into prostitution, you crack down on the people who put them there...you improve the oversight
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