View Poll Results: What does disability mean and who should get it?

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  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    9 25.00%
  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    2 5.56%
  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    2 5.56%
  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    0 0%
  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    1 2.78%
  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    26 72.22%
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Thread: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    which has nothing to do with this thread. Funny how you only see what you want to see.
    Oh, on the contrary. It shapes everything about this thread. Without knowing people, you presume to know their entire medical history, even though you are not taking part in their medical evaluations, nor do you have any professional qualifications. You operate on stereotypes and you think of the disabled as leeches. Anyone who thinks that is insulting is being a baby.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Oh, on the contrary. It shapes everything about this thread. Without knowing people, you presume to know their entire medical history, even though you are not taking part in their medical evaluations, nor do you have any professional qualifications. You operate on stereotypes and you think of the disabled as leeches. Anyone who thinks that is insulting is being a baby.
    I think the examples given are just that, examples. There IS fraud in the system, and it's quite common.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yes. I have the audacity to think if we shouldn't have to tolerate anti-semitism, then we shouldn't tolerate ableism either.
    I am not aware of people faking being Jewish to sue for anti semiticism

    I have personally seen people fake disability and use that to sue

    a case I recall involved a guy telling everyone he had lots of sick leave and he needed to use it

    In November about 8 years ago he calls his boss and asks when he last worked a certain area

    she said October say 12th. He said I got hurt then. so she told him to come in and fill out paperwork

    another supervisor took the report and said they would accommodate his injury. He said he couldn't do ANY work including sitting. due to his 3 week tardiness in reporting and his comments about using sick leave an investigation was launched. films of this guy going to gambling boats and sitting for four hours, flying to vegas etc, carrying luggage. he was fired and he sued. the union grievance process brought him back but he still sued. The trial judge ruled he was not disabled and the circuit court of appeals sustained that dismissal. He wasted about 200K in attorney fees (his side) and about 175 on the other side



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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Oh, on the contrary. It shapes everything about this thread. Without knowing people, you presume to know their entire medical history, even though you are not taking part in their medical evaluations, nor do you have any professional qualifications. You operate on stereotypes and you think of the disabled as leeches. Anyone who thinks that is insulting is being a baby.
    Guess you didn't read my reply to ChrisL which shows your post above is another outright lie. You are getting good at that.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not aware of people faking being Jewish to sue for anti semiticism
    I love that dry humor you possess

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Ooops indeed.

    APACHERAT also might explain why he supposes this guy with the ADA card would choose to load his truck with all of those nonexistent 100 pound bags of concrete in a handicapped parking spot rather than in the loading zone, which is much closer to the exit door than the parking spots at any Home Depot.

    Lesson: If you are going to totally fabricate an anecdotal story about some "guy" you say you saw this morning to back your arguments on an internet forum, be as vague as possible.
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    SO if that same person can work all day around the yard or in field is that different in your opinion? It is not difficult to grasp.
    You are assuming they would even do that, every day, 8 hours a day. Your assumption abound in this thread. You don't know what a person's disability is without examining their private medical files or the granted disability claim. Though one can putter in a yard or field does not mean they are capable of performing and attending a full time job.

    I've already conceded. There are frauds, but not everyone on disability is a fraud nor confined to their home 24/7. Is that what you are after? Confinement?
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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Ooops indeed.

    APACHERAT also might explain why he supposes this guy with the ADA card would choose to load his truck with all of those nonexistent 100 pound bags of concrete in a handicapped parking spot rather than in the loading zone, which is much closer to the exit door than the parking spots at any Home Depot.

    Lesson: If you are going to totally fabricate an anecdotal story about some "guy" you say you saw this morning to back your arguments on an internet forum, be as vague as possible.
    Too true.

    Hell, in the OP, we have someone that states the disabled person cannot possibly be disabled because he goes on a trip on horseback, then when questioned about his assumptions, all of a sudden he has been having meals with this guy for three years....and knows he cannot possibly have cancer...but didn't know him enough to know why he was disabled or what his disability is or what kind of work he did. That story is just like an onion, as you peel through the layers, it just gets more pungent. But I am sure we are about ready to hear more layers.

    The funny thing is that I agree with the premise that there are likely a lot of malingers on SSDI. I just don't think you can without a shadow of a doubt spot judge their situation.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    You are assuming they would even do that, every day, 8 hours a day. Your assumption abound in this thread. You don't know what a person's disability is without examining their private medical files or the granted disability claim. Though one can putter in a yard or field does not mean they are capable of performing and attending a full time job.

    I've already conceded. There are frauds, but not everyone on disability is a fraud nor confined to their home 24/7. Is that what you are after? Confinement?
    Please show me where I said everyone on disability is a fraud. I cited one case and you have thrown everyone under the the same scope which is dishonest.

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    Re: What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I will say that case doesn't seem pass the sniff test.



    I will say you have to watch your judgment with the placards. I have been mouthed off at several times (plus countless awful looks). I will park in a handicapped spot, help my into the store with her oxygen and get her set up on a motorized scooter. I finish up my shopping so I can hurry back into the store and help my mom back to the car. That is when I get mouthed off at. One gal actually waited at my parking spot to make sure I came out with my aged mobility impaired supplemental oxygen using mother. At least she could apologize.



    I agree, but on some level we have to acknowledge that there are many more people on disability than need to be - gaming the system.

    But I do suppose the person in the OP could have been in the terminal stages of cancer doing his bucket list.
    Here is what I always think when people bring up these examples. No good deed goes unpunished. There is a system in place for people who need it because people need it. We must assume that some will take advantage of it. The thing is, you don't stop caring for those who need it because some undeserving are sneaking along for the ride. I mean, while I wish it was not the case it is the reality of every well intended act (or program in this case) that some will take advantage. But until someone can prove that more take advantage then deserve it, why will not abandon the deserving majority.
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