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So Who Won?

Who Won on the Budget Compromise?

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Moot said:
Coors is piss water, you weren't missing anything.
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When I lived in Colorado a long time ago we had a question. How is Coors beer like having sex in a canoe? They are both f****** close to water.
 
iliveonramen said:
Exactly....conservative Dems will be talking about true fiscal irresponsibility....dragging the country repeatedly to the brink of default is not fiscal responsibility.

That message for some of the more conservative cities will mean something...the suburbs etc.
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Isn't that an oxymoron?
 
Misterveritis said:
That explains why they all vote essentially in lockstep...
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You may have missed this, but that has always been the complaint about republicans. However, voting has nothing to do with what I said.
 
disneydude said:
I don't hide my leftist views, American. However, unlike the teabaggers, I'm realistic in my ideals. I would never think it appropriate to try to hold the American people hostage in order to push forward leftist legislation. I accept the fact that in order to get what overall is best for America, I take my "victories" in small doses. The teabaggers are fools because, despite public opinion, they convinced themselves that Americans would rally around their cause. I have no such misperceptions. I recognize that despite my hopes and wishes for a more leftist American culture, most Americans are moderates and aren't going to go that far. I have no problem with teabaggers having their views....what I have a problem with is tactics like extortion when you simply don't have the support for those views.
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Obamacare was pushed thru a Democrat Congress using backroom deals. So much for your small doses.
 
I don't believe either side "won".

The Dems didn't win because all they did was stave off the Reps... and for only three months at that. They didn't gain anything they would have liked to have gained.

The Reps, however, did lose. They gained pretty much nothing of what they wanted, and they lost big time in public opinion and prestige. The Dems were just as duplicitous as the Reps, only more subtle, and for right or for wrong, the voters haven't blamed them as much.
 
When even GOP leader Boehner admits they did not win this fight how in heavens name can even the most rabid GOP partisan vote otherwise in a poll like this? The damn general admits defeat already. :doh
 
Dickieboy said:
This is consistent with my opinion entirely. But 'others' walk out this tired '2012 election was a referendum on PPACA' relentlessly...how quickly some forget the shellacking...
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2010 was a referendum on the ACA, not 2012 or even this shut down. If you think back to last year, the ACA was not really an issue. Now the ACA has a chance of becoming the issue again in 2014 if this shutdown hasn't taken it off the table. I think the Republicans could have rode opposition to the ACA for wins in LA, AR, AK, MT, SD, WV. Pryor and Begich are running away from the ACA in hopes they can retain their seats in Alaska and Arkansas. Only Landreiu in LA hasn't and she can't. She was the one of the senators that received bribes for their vote. Time will tell.
 
Rocketman said:
You don't think increasing our debt without a plan to reduce it along with spending will hurt our economy?
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In the short run, no. In the long run, potentially. Keep in mind the deficit has shank by roughly 40% this year.
 
Of the two, by the standards of the OP, the Democrats won this one. They managed to get through the Fiscal Year end and Debt Ceiling debates without making any significant concessions. On the flip side, the Republicans actions actually COST the government money. In terms of legislative action, and not political strategy, the Democrats came out the victor.
 
what planet are you guys on the dems got less......1. they did not get the amount of money they wanted we agreed to the republican amount they wanted... 2. the sequester is still in affect.. hope i spelled that right....which is a double cut since last budget.amount....so the repubs got more just not everything...do the math not talking points...
 
Redress said:
Depends on the amount. Long as defic growth is lower than economic growth it is harmless.
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You are correct!

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The Dems won a minor battle that they had set up from 2010......they win kudos for putting the Whipped Cream Pie in the Repubs face. Despite knowing back in in 2010 that the Republican filibuster could stop anything they presented.

But did they really win? Obama and the Dems did not want to deal with this issue in a couple of months again. They wanted to get that immigration issue going for one thing. Election time is coming. Also they wanted to get around Obama's Sequester, that Budget Control Act. As it is limiting them from getting their spending off. Not to mention Obama had trips planned to try and at least make a showing in his Asian Foreign Policy.

Yep Repubs cost the Country 24 Billion in this short amount time. How much has the Sequester cost.....in 2 years?
 
I want the three people who think the Republicans won this farce in my next poker game.
 
plutonium said:
what planet are you guys on the dems got less......1. they did not get the amount of money they wanted we agreed to the republican amount they wanted... 2. the sequester is still in affect.. hope i spelled that right....which is a double cut since last budget.amount....so the repubs got more just not everything...do the math not talking points...
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You forgot the overwhelming popularity that they received from this debacle. :lamo What they succeeded in doing was to make both the President and the Affordable Care Act more popular and took their own popularity with the public to an all-time low. I hope you guys have lots more victories like that.
 
Wiggen said:
You forgot the overwhelming popularity that they received from this debacle. :lamo What they succeeded in doing was to make both the President and the Affordable Care Act more popular and took their own popularity with the public to an all-time low. I hope you guys have lots more victories like that.
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Which is entirely irrelevant to what was asked in this thread
 
Rocketman said:
and the debt?
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Why are you fixating on the debt when unemployment is still at such unacceptable levels? The most important thing is getting the economy on track.
 
Zyphlin said:
Which is entirely irrelevant to what was asked in this thread
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I was responding to another post. Presumably you would find that post also irrelevant, although perhaps not since that poster shares your political philosophy.

In any event, whether irrelevant or not, it's true. Painful for you folks, I know, who apparently saw the possibility of some great victory where the evil Obama was brought to heel and goodness triumphed throughout the land.:lamo
 
Kushinator said:
Why are you fixating on the debt when unemployment is still at such unacceptable levels? The most important thing is getting the economy on track.
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You increase employment long term on borrowed money, without stabilization, everything realized is temporary. The debt has continued to rise under EVERY President. How would your house mortgage look if the debt continued to rise every year?
 
Wiggen said:
I was responding to another post. Presumably you would find that post also irrelevant, although perhaps not since that poster shares your political philosophy.
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The other persons post actually addressed the subject of the thread...which was who won in terms of their legislative goals. The post in question talked about the funding levels in the bill, which is legislative in nature. Your post rambled on about making things popular (Polls, not legislative results). I'm sorry you're suffering from some sort of persecution complex in this thread, but your inability to actually address the question within the OP and need to deflect into other opinions is not a testiment to my partisnaship but perhaps your own.

Reading comprehension is not tied to political philosophy. Neither is the ability not to ignorantly stereotype. It's not "painful" at all to me; I've suggested for some time on this forum that the Republicans were politicall wrong in their action and are likely to come out as the bigger of the two losers in this. The difference is I recognize there are a multitude of other threads discussing that and I instead attempted to focus on what was actually asked in the OP.
 
Rocketman said:
You increase employment long term on borrowed money, without stabilization, everything realized is temporary. The debt has continued to rise under EVERY President. How would your house mortgage look if the debt continued to rise every year?
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I would be totally cool with that if I was immortal, and could print my own soverign currency like the US government.
 
Threegoofs said:
I would be totally cool with that if I was immortal, and could print my own soverign currency like the US government.
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POST OF THE DAY:peace
 
American said:
Obamacare was pushed thru a Democrat Congress using backroom deals. So much for your small doses.
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LOL....there were no "backroom deals". It passed the same way all legislation passes.
 
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