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So Who Won?

Who Won on the Budget Compromise?

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trfjr said:
because it was just as much to show the public who where the republicans rinos who were not willing to fight to save them from the train wreck
the biggest problem the republican party is there are to many big government democrats in it. it is the main reason I left the party
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And not enough John Birch lunatics? Got it.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, you have to realize what 'compromise' is to the Tea Party. It's "give us everything we want".
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One of our republicans here explained that to me. You can't expect Republicans to compromise in their core ideals, which sounds almost reasonable. But you notice that a core ideal is anything they might get asked to compromise on..
 
Redress said:
Did you miss this whole situation? The potential for disaster far outweighed the potential damage from obamacare. And Republicans where just as complicit in the shutdown as democrats.

The amusing thing about all this is watching conservatives complain about things being shut down during a shutdown they were a major playing in creating, and when the unemployment numbers come in for the month inflated by all those government workers that they helped put out of work, those conservatives will blame Obama for that too.
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I guess that proves I'm not a conservative. I was cheering for the shutdown.
 
clownboy said:
Because not every politician wants to see their constuituents suffer just to put down the opposing party.
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Eh, I'm sure you're right that some, very few imo, politicians genuinely about their constituents. But I think most couldn't care less about the average American. Most only care about who's donating big money, and power.
 
Wiggen said:
Fixed that for you.
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No you didn't, you just deliberately misquoted another poster. Not cool and yet another example of the depths you'll sink to, consistent with his real post.
 
clownboy said:
No you didn't, you just deliberately misquoted another poster. Not cool and yet another example of the depths you'll sink to, consistent with his real post.
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No, I fixed it for him. I didn't even charge for the service.
 
Wiggen said:
No, just the Tea Party wants that. Some of those clowns actually want the U.S. to default on the debt limit. Of course, they don't teach economics at Jefferson Davis Junior College, so maybe that's why.
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You haven't a clue what the tea party wants and you've demonstrated you'll say and do anything as long as it forwards your extreme bias.
 
Gipper said:
I guess that proves I'm not a conservative. I was cheering for the shutdown.
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Which is a painfully ignorant thing to do. The repercussions from a prolonged shutdown are unknown for sure, but potentially devastating.
 
Redress said:
Lets count our chickens before they hatch. A deal has been reached, and the only possible place it might fail is in the house, but it will most likely make it through with some moderate republican votes. So who won? Not in terms of the effects of the bill, but which side got more of what they wanted, got the better deal from the compromise? What details I can find: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default - CNN.com



Senate leaders announce tentative budget deal | Fox News




Deal reached to avoid default and open government



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If any one has any better details on the bill, please link them.

So, with what we know now, did republicans or democrats get a better deal on the compromise?
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It doesn't really matter who won, The People lost.
 
Redress said:
Which is a painfully ignorant thing to do. The repercussions from a prolonged shutdown are unknown for sure, but potentially devastating.
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in theory but it is purely speculation brought by the fear mongering democrats that want to get back to expanding government reach on borrowed money
 
Redress said:
A deal has been reached
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I can't believe I missed this. It must have happened this morning on October 16, 2013. No comment until I find out what is going on.

vasuderatorrent
 
Rocketman said:
in theory but it is purely speculation brought by the fear mongering democrats that want to get back to expanding government reach on borrowed money
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So you don't think an additional 800k and growing unemployed would hartm the economy? And that is what has already happened.
 
Redress said:
Lets count our chickens before they hatch. A deal has been reached, and the only possible place it might fail is in the house, but it will most likely make it through with some moderate republican votes. So who won? Not in terms of the effects of the bill, but which side got more of what they wanted, got the better deal from the compromise? What details I can find: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default - CNN.com



Senate leaders announce tentative budget deal | Fox News




Deal reached to avoid default and open government



And



If any one has any better details on the bill, please link them.

So, with what we know now, did republicans or democrats get a better deal on the compromise?
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sticking to the frame work of the OP which many seem not to want to do the Dems clearly won hands down, thats not even a question.

Now if we want to talk about if that win is temporary, what the win really means if it means anything at all, what happens in jan/feb etc well thats up for debate but this round goes to the dems by unanimous decision.
 
Redress said:
So you don't think an additional 800k and growing unemployed would hartm the economy? And that is what has already happened.
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Do you they would include the fact that many of government employees laid off should be getting their jobs back in the math when counting unemployment?
 
Redress said:
Lets count our chickens before they hatch. A deal has been reached, and the only possible place it might fail is in the house, but it will most likely make it through with some moderate republican votes. So who won? Not in terms of the effects of the bill, but which side got more of what they wanted, got the better deal from the compromise? What details I can find: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default - CNN.com



Senate leaders announce tentative budget deal | Fox News




Deal reached to avoid default and open government



And



If any one has any better details on the bill, please link them.

So, with what we know now, did republicans or democrats get a better deal on the compromise?
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it is no contest.. Democrats came out with everything they wanted and more.... the GOP got next to nothing.

I'm pretty sure unions got the concession on Obamacare they were after as well.


Democrats once again played hardball, didn't concede on anything, got everything they wanted.... and were successfully able to pin all the bad press on republicans
perfectly executed politics.... piss poor governance, but perfect politics.
 
Redress said:
So you don't think an additional 800k and growing unemployed would hartm the economy? And that is what has already happened.
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You don't think increasing our debt without a plan to reduce it along with spending will hurt our economy?
 
The minority party likes to make an occasional wave. They think that it keeps them relevant.

They made no gains, but they made the news.
 
Like usual republicans fail at politics even when they are in the right. Go figure.
 
Rocketman said:
You don't think increasing our debt without a plan to reduce it along with spending will hurt our economy?
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Depends on the amount. Long as defic growth is lower than economic growth it is harmless.
 
This entire budget brouhaha reminds me of that old suicide joke. The husband (democrat) and wife (republican) decide to commit suicide and the wife went first. Seeing her done in on the floor made him feel so good that he changed his mind. That's the secret of this six shooter, six bullets Russian Roulette. Let the other guy go first but with the Teaparty begging and kicking to go first, it almost takes the fun out of it. In January or February we will see if anything was learned from the experience.
 
Redress said:
So you don't think an additional 800k and growing unemployed would hartm the economy? And that is what has already happened.
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How do we ever cut spending if people can't accept that will mean people will be fired? At some point people just need to realize that holding on to the "we can't do something because people will lose their jobs argument" just means that the government can only ever grow bigger and more expensive. It will forever be that the party that wants more government authority and control will win every single debate. Not exactly a great prospect for the people, imho.
 
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The President won by facing down the bullies, otherwise everybody lost. And the whole ludicrous fiasco could repeat itself in the new year!
 
Manc Skipper said:
The President won by facing down the bullies, otherwise everybody lost. And the whole ludicrous fiasco could repeat itself in the new year!
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You do realize the house practiced it's constitutional authority, right? If anything they should have put the entire budget on the line like they were supposed to do.
 
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