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So Who Won?

Who Won on the Budget Compromise?


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Lets count our chickens before they hatch. A deal has been reached, and the only possible place it might fail is in the house, but it will most likely make it through with some moderate republican votes. So who won? Not in terms of the effects of the bill, but which side got more of what they wanted, got the better deal from the compromise? What details I can find: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default - CNN.com

Reid said the Senate deal under discussion would reopen the government, funding it until January 15. It also would raise the debt limit until February 7 to avert a possible default on U.S. debt obligations for the first time.
Also, the White House supports a provision in the deal that strengthens verification measures for people getting subsidies under Obamacare, spokesman Jay Carney said.
Carney called the change "a modest adjustment," and said it didn't amount to "ransom" for raising the federal debt ceiling because both sides agreed to it and the White House supported it.
In addition, the Senate agreement would set up budget negotiations between the House and Senate for a long-term spending plan.

Senate leaders announce tentative budget deal | Fox News

The framework on the Senate side would raise the debt ceiling through Feb. 7, and include a spending bill meant to last through Jan. 15. The plan would not include any provision relating to the ObamaCare medical device tax, as prior plans did; instead it would include a single provision meant to verify the income of those receiving ObamaCare subsidies. It would also instruct a bipartisan budget committee to report back on a broader plan by mid-December.


Deal reached to avoid default and open government

In addition to raising the debt limit, the proposal would give lawmakers a vote to disapprove the increase. Obama would have the right to veto their opposition, ensuring he would prevail.

House and Senate negotiators would be appointed to seek a deficit-reduction deal. At the last minute, Reid and McConnell jettisoned a plan to give federal agencies increased flexibility in coping with the effects of across-the-board cuts. Officials said that would be a topic for the negotiations expected to begin shortly.

The deal would provide back pay to the 800,000 federal workers affected by the shutdown, including half who have been idled for more than two weeks.

Despite initial Republican demands for the defunding of the health care law often derided as "Obamacare," the pending agreement makes only one modest change touching on the program. It relates to a requirement that individuals and families seeking subsidies to purchase coverage verify their incomes before qualifying.

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McConnell said that with the Senate accord, Republicans had sealed a deal to have spending in one area of the budget decline for two years in a row, adding, "we're not going back."

If any one has any better details on the bill, please link them.

So, with what we know now, did republicans or democrats get a better deal on the compromise?
 
Oh great we get to do this again soon.
 
Oh great we get to do this again soon.

This. Is it me or is holding up the budget to extract last minute concessions the new normal?
 
Per usual, Big Government won and the people of the US lost.

It's becoming a "thing".
 
Honestly the folks who won are those who accomplished the least, on both sides, the guys who remained the most ideologically pure and refused any compromise and thus did not contribute to any accomplishment or accomplish anything themselves won out. They will be able to go back and fairly safe in their re-election knowing full well that most voters demand ideological purity over results and those among them looking at a 2016 Presidential run will be able to drag this back up a few years now and point to their more moderate comrades, who may have actually sat down and worked this deal out, of being weak-spine and a sell out.

And voters, voters will take someone who accomplished nothing over someone who did.
 
As of right now, Democrats - but it's temporary and not all that purposeful for the time being.
 
Per usual, Big Government won and the people of the US lost.

It's becoming a "thing".

Honestly the folks who won are those who accomplished the least, on both sides, the guys who remained the most ideologically pure and refused any compromise and thus did not contribute to any accomplishment or accomplish anything themselves won out. They will be able to go back and fairly safe in their re-election knowing full well that most voters demand ideological purity over results and those among them looking at a 2016 Presidential run will be able to drag this back up a few years now and point to their more moderate comrades, who may have actually sat down and worked this deal out, of being weak-spine and a sell out.

And voters, voters will take someone who accomplished nothing over someone who did.

This is about who got the most from the deal. Please focus on that.
 
I don't know, because I don't understand exactly what the republicans wanted to accomplish. It seems like the dems just wanted to keep the government funded with as little compromise as possible.
 
As of right now, Democrats - but it's temporary and not all that purposeful for the time being.

Could you expand on what you mean by the bolded part please?
 
I don't know, because I don't understand exactly what the republicans wanted to accomplish. It seems like the dems just wanted to keep the government funded with as little compromise as possible.

Did the dems get that?
 
Could you expand on what you mean by the bolded part please?

It's a "band-aid on a bullet wound" victory. You slowed the bleeding, but the gush continues.

If a 90 day fix is your version of "flawless victory", then yeah - Dem's pulled a Mortal Kombat on the GOP.
 
We have to do this for another 3 months...so...no one?
 
As always, rutabagas take the day....
 
The big loss was that Obamacare remained untouched. The longer a program is in place, the chance for ending it evaporates and in the future, rather than any end or change, we will see lies claiming fixes for it, when the nightmare will simply continue.

If you are a middle income family or a young person, you have lost big time. Your purpose in Democrat political life is now to support Mexican immigrants and all of the other dependents who use Obamacare and cannot/refuse to pay for it. Obamacare money will be taken from your family to support the medical care and maintenance of these people, which will buy Democrat votes forever.
 
Lets count our chickens before they hatch. A deal has been reached, and the only possible place it might fail is in the house, but it will most likely make it through with some moderate republican votes. So who won? Not in terms of the effects of the bill, but which side got more of what they wanted, got the better deal from the compromise? What details I can find: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default - CNN.com



Senate leaders announce tentative budget deal | Fox News




Deal reached to avoid default and open government



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If any one has any better details on the bill, please link them.

So, with what we know now, did republicans or democrats get a better deal on the compromise?

they score card will be tallied in the 2014 elections
while you liberals where so busy trying to win a game of checkers the conservative republicans where just making the first couple of moves in a year long game of chess
 
I don't think there are any "winners" here. However, there are clear losers. The GOP tanked their credibility with independents and moderates...but even moreso, the Teabaggers pretty much destroyed themselves as having any power and/or credibility. I suspect after this the more sane elements of the GOP are going to begin kicking the baggers to the curb. You know when even Senator Lee's numbers are dropping in Utah.....you are screwed.
 
No one did. This is all nothing more than an attempt to call a draw and save face. The pundits will be out saying "Oh, this shows the compromise of the President and the Dems", the GOP will say, "Ooh, look look, we DO have a spine, but there was nothing we can do, the grown ups in our party prevented us from going with the sensible solutions, which is, as you know whatever Obama and Reid say, because we are gutless infiltrators of the Republican Party who snack on corporate monies while we feed the two-headed beast that is Big Gov/Big Biz"

and in three months they'll do the whole god damn thing all over again.
 
Did the dems get that?

what the dems got was them willing to shut down the government then save the American people from the train wreck of Obama care

ive stated this many times before it wasn't about killing Obama care now it was all about drawing a line and showing the American public who was on what side of that line republicans and democrats. the only time the shut down will be remembered a year from now is when the public remembers who where the ones who fought to keep the train wreck of Obama care from happening
 
The GOP did. Boehner played a pretty good game. Reid had already agreed to the budget number. By pressing the ACA crap (which EVERYONE PAYING ATTENTION KNEW WOULDN'T WORK) merely satisfied those GOP constituents who were promised that 'we will repeal Obamacare'. By attempting to press defund, device tax, etc. this further exemplified his/their attempt to the base that they tried 'everything they could'. In the end he is back to where he and Reid started, the perception of the GOP wasn't damaged much to those who matter (and those who don't will likely forget prior to Nov'14)...AND the sequester is unchanged INCLUDING the second tranche due to hit Jan 1 (before the next 'deadline').

Yep, mandatory budget cuts (sequester 1/2) and no new taxes...not bad.
 
Republicans got the most because at least temporarily they got out of the corner the media had painted them into. In short, a face saving deal for Republicans. They got nothing, but claim they got something (trivial). Temporarily, Democrats got everything they want.
 
Better question is. Who lost? The answer to that is obvious--America.
 
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