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  • Democrats got a larger share of what they wanted

    54 61.36%
  • Republicans got the larger share of what they wanted

    4 4.55%
  • Both got about the same

    8 9.09%
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    22 25.00%
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Thread: So Who Won?

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    Re: So Who Won?

    I don't know who won but I sure know who lost - your country. If anyone thinks it's an accomplishment to push back the discussion for another two to three months, they're nuts.

    What it should prove, beyond a doubt, is the mendacity of the President. Anybody want to bet on whether or not Obama "discusses everything" and "has everything on the table" now that he's not "under the gun"?
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    ive stated this many times before it wasn't about killing Obama care now it was all about drawing a line and showing the American public who was on what side of that line republicans and democrats.
    And we haven't been made aware of that line over the past 3 years?

    the only time the shut down will be remembered a year from now is when the public remembers who where the ones who fought to keep the train wreck of Obama care from happening
    It will be forgotten, but it will also be used as a bullet point by opponents of Republicans.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Democrats got more of what they wanted, definitely. The republicans came out of it getting basically nothing.

    And all they really did was kick the can down the road another few months.
    they got hours of campaign commercial ammo to beat the dems over the head with come 2014 no one will remember the shut down a year from now but they will be experiencing the pain of Obama care and they will remember who fought to keep the train wreck from happening

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    And we haven't been made aware of that line over the past 3 years?



    It will be forgotten, but it will also be used as a bullet point by opponents of Republicans.
    and your basing this all on Obama care being successful aren't you?

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did the dems get that?
    I don't have any beef with the provisions added, but I'm not sure about democratic politicians. Also, I'm glad the device tax was kept in place.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    and your basing this all on Obama care being successful aren't you?
    If you are going to argue for its failure, you have to account for its modest success or its substantial success as well. In the meantime, what will happen is this will be listed as "one of the times" that Republicans stood in the way of "good governance." It is much more difficult for Republicans to argue that this was in their favor.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This. Is it me or is holding up the budget to extract last minute concessions the new normal?
    At least for the next few years, I suspect.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    no one will remember the shut down a year from now
    Yeah, I'm sure that's what they're all hoping. Whether that's actually the case or not remains to be seen.

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    but they will be experiencing the pain of Obama care and they will remember who fought to keep the train wreck from happening
    That assumes Obamacare won't be successful. If it is, the republicans are going to look pretty bad.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    And lets not forget all the campaign commercial ammo that was handed over the republicans who will be tying to un seat democrats come 2014. by then Obama care will be an undisputed failure and those democrats will have allot of explaining to do why they fought so hard to allow the train wreck to happen
    very possible...we'll see
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Lets count our chickens before they hatch. A deal has been reached, and the only possible place it might fail is in the house, but it will most likely make it through with some moderate republican votes. So who won? Not in terms of the effects of the bill, but which side got more of what they wanted, got the better deal from the compromise? What details I can find: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default - CNN.com



    Senate leaders announce tentative budget deal | Fox News




    Deal reached to avoid default and open government



    And



    If any one has any better details on the bill, please link them.

    So, with what we know now, did republicans or democrats get a better deal on the compromise?
    I don't know and I don't care. All I care about at the moment is a deal has been reached and all 536 elected officials in Washington stopped acting like a bunch of 3 year olds and some finally grew up. Frankly I do not trust the future of our country to any of the 536 elected officials now residing in Washington. This whole thing was needless and irresponsible. I blame the republicans for starting and then the democrats for ensuring it continued for as long as it did. In the end I think, and this is just me with my opinion, I think the mood of a lot of the people in the country and I am not talking about die hard Republicans and Democrats. That that mood among the rest was they were coming to the conclusion that they didn't care who started it, who was to blame for it, they didn't care what the reason were, they reached a point where they just wanted it fixed. It was fast becoming a pox on both houses or should I say chambers.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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