View Poll Results: Who Won on the Budget Compromise?

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  • Democrats got a larger share of what they wanted

    54 61.36%
  • Republicans got the larger share of what they wanted

    4 4.55%
  • Both got about the same

    8 9.09%
  • Other/Don't know

    22 25.00%
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Thread: So Who Won?

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I don't hide my leftist views, American. However, unlike the teabaggers, I'm realistic in my ideals. I would never think it appropriate to try to hold the American people hostage in order to push forward leftist legislation. I accept the fact that in order to get what overall is best for America, I take my "victories" in small doses. The teabaggers are fools because, despite public opinion, they convinced themselves that Americans would rally around their cause. I have no such misperceptions. I recognize that despite my hopes and wishes for a more leftist American culture, most Americans are moderates and aren't going to go that far. I have no problem with teabaggers having their views....what I have a problem with is tactics like extortion when you simply don't have the support for those views.
    Obamacare was pushed thru a Democrat Congress using backroom deals. So much for your small doses.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    I don't believe either side "won".

    The Dems didn't win because all they did was stave off the Reps... and for only three months at that. They didn't gain anything they would have liked to have gained.

    The Reps, however, did lose. They gained pretty much nothing of what they wanted, and they lost big time in public opinion and prestige. The Dems were just as duplicitous as the Reps, only more subtle, and for right or for wrong, the voters haven't blamed them as much.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    When even GOP leader Boehner admits they did not win this fight how in heavens name can even the most rabid GOP partisan vote otherwise in a poll like this? The damn general admits defeat already.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    This is consistent with my opinion entirely. But 'others' walk out this tired '2012 election was a referendum on PPACA' relentlessly...how quickly some forget the shellacking...
    2010 was a referendum on the ACA, not 2012 or even this shut down. If you think back to last year, the ACA was not really an issue. Now the ACA has a chance of becoming the issue again in 2014 if this shutdown hasn't taken it off the table. I think the Republicans could have rode opposition to the ACA for wins in LA, AR, AK, MT, SD, WV. Pryor and Begich are running away from the ACA in hopes they can retain their seats in Alaska and Arkansas. Only Landreiu in LA hasn't and she can't. She was the one of the senators that received bribes for their vote. Time will tell.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    You don't think increasing our debt without a plan to reduce it along with spending will hurt our economy?
    In the short run, no. In the long run, potentially. Keep in mind the deficit has shank by roughly 40% this year.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Of the two, by the standards of the OP, the Democrats won this one. They managed to get through the Fiscal Year end and Debt Ceiling debates without making any significant concessions. On the flip side, the Republicans actions actually COST the government money. In terms of legislative action, and not political strategy, the Democrats came out the victor.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    what planet are you guys on the dems got less......1. they did not get the amount of money they wanted we agreed to the republican amount they wanted... 2. the sequester is still in affect.. hope i spelled that right....which is a double cut since last budget.amount....so the repubs got more just not everything...do the math not talking points...

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Depends on the amount. Long as defic growth is lower than economic growth it is harmless.
    You are correct!

    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    The Dems won a minor battle that they had set up from 2010......they win kudos for putting the Whipped Cream Pie in the Repubs face. Despite knowing back in in 2010 that the Republican filibuster could stop anything they presented.

    But did they really win? Obama and the Dems did not want to deal with this issue in a couple of months again. They wanted to get that immigration issue going for one thing. Election time is coming. Also they wanted to get around Obama's Sequester, that Budget Control Act. As it is limiting them from getting their spending off. Not to mention Obama had trips planned to try and at least make a showing in his Asian Foreign Policy.

    Yep Repubs cost the Country 24 Billion in this short amount time. How much has the Sequester cost.....in 2 years?

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    Re: So Who Won?

    I want the three people who think the Republicans won this farce in my next poker game.
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