View Poll Results: Who Won on the Budget Compromise?

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  • Democrats got a larger share of what they wanted

    54 61.36%
  • Republicans got the larger share of what they wanted

    4 4.55%
  • Both got about the same

    8 9.09%
  • Other/Don't know

    22 25.00%
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The republicans are the majority in the house. The majority in the house not funding a certain part of the budget is not the minority holding the country hostage. It's actually how the house is supposed to work.
    The majority elected the president....and congress is worthless if it can't pass bills that the president can or will sign into law. The republicans only control one third of the government and that still makes them a minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The majority elected the president....and congress is worthless if it can't pass bills that the president can or will sign into law. The republicans only control one third of the government and that still makes them a minority.
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    They are in control of all spending bills. That puts them in charge over the matter and the key player in the affair. Everyone had to play by their rules or not play at all.

    As for president being re-elected, with both candidates basically supporting obamacare and the polls all being against the law it's not possible that the election was a referendum on obamacare.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Ok, what was the 2010 election a referendum on?...Oh and the Republicans won...that's just a fact, too...
    Citizens United and Freedom Works. The republicans didn't win the 2010 election.......the Koch's tea party did.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They are in control of all spending bills. That puts them in charge over the matter and the key player in the affair. Everyone had to play by their rules or not play at all.

    As for president being re-elected, with both candidates basically supporting obamacare and the polls all being against the law it's not possible that the election was a referendum on obamacare.
    The Constitution (article 1, section 7) empowers the House to originate revenue bills. Spending can originate in either house...BUT modern convention is that they originate in the House.
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They are in control of all spending bills. That puts them in charge over the matter and the key player in the affair. Everyone had to play by their rules or not play at all.

    As for president being re-elected, with both candidates basically supporting obamacare and the polls all being against the law it's not possible that the election was a referendum on obamacare.
    Doesn't the Senate still have to pass the spending bills and the president still have to sign the spending bills into law? The House is still only one third of the government.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Ok, what was the 2010 election a referendum on?...Oh and the Republicans won...that's just a fact, too...
    The 2010 election was basically about passage of the ACA when 58% of America opposed it. It was the electorate's way of telling those Representatives and Senators that they need to listen to what the people say who sent them to Washington in the first place, 63 D seats were lost in the House and 6 senate seats due to the fact the people didn't like being told to shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

    now having said that, all 2010 proved was the American people were more fed up of the democrats than the republicans. The republicans took it as a mandate which they were totally wrong. When you send someone to Washington, you expect your representative and senator to listen to you at least on some big key issues. The Democrats didn't and paid the price. This election didn't mean the people liked the republicans, it just mean less people disliked them.

    2012 was a status quo election as I like to call it. For some reason the dislike of both parties and presidential candidates were about the same. Since no party stood out as the most disliked party, the Republicans kept the House, the Democrats the Senate and the presidency.

    2014 we will see, no prediction yet as I think the Republicans shot themselves in the butt with this shutdown, but how long that will last is probably not too long.

    When ever a party wins an election, for some reason they see it as a mandate and not what it really was. The two parties need to wake up or sometime soon a third party will arise to bite them in the butt. Only 30% of the people now consider, affiliate, identify themselves with the Democratic Party, that means 70% are telling them to take a hike. But what saves the Democrats and makes the the least worst party is that only 20% consider themselves, affiliate or identify with them. That is 80% who would like to see them take a hike.

    Fact is neither party is loved, just put up with and maybe pretty soon, those fed up will take matters in their own hands and form a viable third party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Citizens United and Freedom Works. The republicans didn't win the 2010 election.......the Koch's tea party did.
    Ambiguous...there was a national referendum on 'Citizens United and Freedom Works'...really? If one were to take a poll questioning folks if they knew what either of these were how do you think that would work out?...Koch brothers 'boogie man'...tired!

    I suspected this type response...
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Doesn't the Senate still have to pass the spending bills and the president still have to sign the spending bills into law? The House is still only one third of the government.
    Doesn't really matter. They have to agree to the houses terms.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The 2010 election was basically about passage of the ACA when 58% of America opposed it. It was the electorate's way of telling those Representatives and Senators that they need to listen to what the people say who sent them to Washington in the first place, 63 D seats were lost in the House and 6 senate seats due to the fact the people didn't like being told to shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

    now having said that, all 2010 proved was the American people were more fed up of the democrats than the republicans. The republicans took it as a mandate which they were totally wrong. When you send someone to Washington, you expect your representative and senator to listen to you at least on some big key issues. The Democrats didn't and paid the price. This election didn't mean the people liked the republicans, it just mean less people disliked them.

    2012 was a status quo election as I like to call it. For some reason the dislike of both parties and presidential candidates were about the same. Since no party stood out as the most disliked party, the Republicans kept the House, the Democrats the Senate and the presidency.

    2014 we will see, no prediction yet as I think the Republicans shot themselves in the butt with this shutdown, but how long that will last is probably not too long.

    When ever a party wins an election, for some reason they see it as a mandate and not what it really was. The two parties need to wake up or sometime soon a third party will arise to bite them in the butt. Only 30% of the people now consider, affiliate, identify themselves with the Democratic Party, that means 70% are telling them to take a hike. But what saves the Democrats and makes the the least worst party is that only 20% consider themselves, affiliate or identify with them. That is 80% who would like to see them take a hike.

    Fact is neither party is loved, just put up with and maybe pretty soon, those fed up will take matters in their own hands and form a viable third party.
    This is consistent with my opinion entirely. But 'others' walk out this tired '2012 election was a referendum on PPACA' relentlessly...how quickly some forget the shellacking...
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Wasn't it nice of the Senate Republicans to do the work specifically outlined in the Constitution for the House to do??
    And to think the 'think-tanks' ordered Repubs to vote No again today..
    Rand Paul and his legion will rue this vote, while normal Repubs get TP'd.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Doesn't the Senate still have to pass the spending bills and the president still have to sign the spending bills into law? The House is still only one third of the government.
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