View Poll Results: Who Won on the Budget Compromise?

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  • Democrats got a larger share of what they wanted

    54 61.36%
  • Republicans got the larger share of what they wanted

    4 4.55%
  • Both got about the same

    8 9.09%
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    22 25.00%
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Thread: So Who Won?

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which is a painfully ignorant thing to do. The repercussions from a prolonged shutdown are unknown for sure, but potentially devastating.
    When was the government shut down? Wasn't this more of a slim down with a few non-essential people told to stay home? And if they are non-essential then why do we keep them on the payroll?

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, no. It is far more complex than you seem to realize.
    no its not, you see revenue still flows into Washington...about 250 billion a month.

    with our debt payment about 25 billion a month, so the rest of the money would have to be allotted to make payments, which would fall on the WH, to decide, since they execute the law.

    since money would need to be allotted, spending would have to be carefully looked at and only spent on things which are needed.

    revenue is 10x the debt payment.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no its not, you see revenue still flows into Washington...about 250 billion a month.

    with our debt payment about 25 billion a month, so the rest of the money would have to be allotted to make payments, which would fall on the WH, to decide, since they execute the law.

    since money would need to be allotted, spending would have to be carefully looked at and only spend on things which are needed.

    revenue is 10x the debt payment.
    You don't even make it past your first sentence befgore getting details wrong. The revenue that "flows in" does not come in steadily, some months more, some less, some alot less. Bills come due every single day by the thousands.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You do realize the house practiced it's constitutional authority, right? If anything they should have put the entire budget on the line like they were supposed to do.
    And apparently the House is poised to give the president the power of the purse. I believe this means the nation I grew up in has ended. We now have a dictator and many foolish people who cheer him.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You don't even make it past your first sentence befgore getting details wrong. The revenue that "flows in" does not come in steadily, some months more, some less, some alot less. Bills come due every single day by the thousands.
    that is true about revenue, however on avenge it is correct, and i am correct about the debt payment.......revenue is much more then the debt payment.

    we could never have defaulted.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    And apparently the House is poised to give the president the power of the purse. I believe this means the nation I grew up in has ended. We now have a dictator and many foolish people who cheer him.
    It's pretty sad to me that people don't seem to understand that the house is supposed to decide every year on what they are going to fund. There isn't supposed to be things that are predetermined to get funding as it is now. If the house desires to defund anything on the budget they have the power to do so. The fact that almost everyone on the budget is out of their grasp just shows how far this country has drifted.
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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    bullying and extortion?....what's wrong with using accurate and factual terms?... why do you Democrat insist on hyperbole?
    From the Brooke Brother riots, to the organized shout downs at townhall meetings, to holding the country hostage because they couldn't get the votes or win the election to undue a law.......sure looks like bullying to me. And when you plot to shut down the government unless it meets a minorities demands....extortions is just a nicer way to say fascism.



    negotiations would have headed all of this off before it came to a shutdown.... Democrats, very publicly, said " hell no" to negotiating on anything at all..that is a matter of record.
    The democrats offered over 18X to negotiate in the seven months leading up to the deadline and Republicans said no every time....until a few hours before the deadline to make their outrageous demands or they'd shut down the government. That is not negotiations, that's extortion by definition.


    Democrats don't seem to share your belief that negotiations are acceptable... in fact ,they found them completely unacceptable in this particular case. as for "democratic elections",..well, i'm not sure what that is supposed to mean... everybody involved in this fight was democratically elected

    in any event, the GOP got nothing out of this, not even table scraps, and Democrats got their way.... that's just fact.
    that's the way it has gone for 5 years now....
    I never said the democrats wanted to shut down the government....they weren't really given a choice unless you consider defunding Obamacare a choice...which it wasn't.

    The 2012 election was a referendum on Obamacare and the Democrats won...thats just a fact, too. Why should the Democrats negotiate under the gun, what Republicans couldn't win in an election or get enough votes in congress? The only thing the republicans are going to get out of their underhanded shenagins...is booted out of office. Thats all they deserve.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    From the Brooke Brother riots, to the organized shout downs at townhall meetings, to holding the country hostage because they couldn't get the votes or win the election to undue a law.......sure looks like bullying to me. And when you plot to shut down the government unless it meets a minorities demands....extortions is just a nicer way to say fascism.
    The republicans are the majority in the house. The majority in the house not funding a certain part of the budget is not the minority holding the country hostage. It's actually how the house is supposed to work.

    The 2012 election was a referendum on Obamacare and the Democrats won...thats just a fact, too.
    Sorry, but the democrats are not in control of the house and everything that happened is in the realm of authority of the house.

    If the election was a referendum on Obamacare then you will need to explain to me why the polls are all against it.
    Last edited by Henrin; 10-17-13 at 12:08 AM.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Dems one hands down and America starts its decline of the Roman Empire era.
    We're number one YEA!

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The 2012 election was a referendum on Obamacare and the Democrats won...thats just a fact, too...
    Ok, what was the 2010 election a referendum on?...Oh and the Republicans won...that's just a fact, too...
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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