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  • Democrats got a larger share of what they wanted

    54 61.36%
  • Republicans got the larger share of what they wanted

    4 4.55%
  • Both got about the same

    8 9.09%
  • Other/Don't know

    22 25.00%
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Thread: So Who Won?

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I've never seen it do anything but march relentlessly upward! Good to know reverse gear works, too!

    Good evening, AP! I've missed your posts, hope you and yours are well!
    It's football season, so you can expect less posting...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It may have started then but it is coming to a head now and I believe we are in our final days. I'm actually glad that I'm old and have most of my life in while things were pretty good.
    spare us the end times language.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    spare us the end times language.
    End of times, no. End of good times, yes.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    I don't know, because I don't understand exactly what the republicans wanted to accomplish.
    1. To establish themselves, most memorably, as the anti-Obamacare cassandras. If (as I think it will, big time) the ACA will backfire, they will be sitting pretty. If not, the general public will be focused on something else entirely.

    2. Your basic "good cop-bad cop" play. Collins, Murkowski and Ayotte had acquired a whole lot of influence, with minimal political capital expenditure. And while they may be "moderates" from the mass-media POV, just comparing their cool, professional conduct with the behavior of Harry Reid and Co will probably give the all-important independent voter some thoughts Democrats most certainly don't want them to have...

    3. The Dems also have "established themselves" - again - as the party unwilling or incapable of taking the debt issue seriously.

    Our temporary inability to get really close to some historical monuments in DC is horrible, just horrible. But we will eventually get over it. I believe in our strength as a nation.

    The annoyance will fade, but the really important questions will remain unanswered. And the ("tea-party", libertarian) Republicans at least will be able to claim that they have asked the questions - loudly and rudely (sorry about that), because they had no room or time for more refined behavior.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It may have started then but it is coming to a head now and I believe we are in our final days. I'm actually glad that I'm old and have most of my life in while things were pretty good.
    I have 12 kids and the youngest is a 16 year old girl.. I really worry for their sakes. I think an economic crash is the best thing that could happen to our Nation because it would kill the War Machine that has control of us. We're tough suckers so we can rebuild and maybe fix the big errors caused by our Corporatist/Fascist plutocracy. Put a fence around your island.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I have 12 kids and the youngest is a 16 year old girl.. I really worry for their sakes. I think an economic crash is the best thing that could happen to our Nation because it would kill the War Machine that has control of us. We're tough suckers so we can rebuild and maybe fix the big errors caused by our Corporatist/Fascist plutocracy. Put a fence around your island.
    Do you mean that war machine that provides protection for the country?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Both sides got what they wanted and a lot of what they didn't want.


    The repubs demanded the defunding of Obamacare or they'd shutdown the government. They got the shutdown they wanted.

    The dems didn't want the government shut down at all, nor did they want Obamacare defunded. The Repubs backed them into a corner with only those two choices...it was a "Sophies Choice". The dems chose to let the repubs shutdown the government to save Obamacare. So they got they wanted. But they shouldn't have been put in a Sophies Choice situation in the first place. Bullying and extrortion in lieu of democratic elections and negotiations is not acceptable.

    bullying and extortion?....what's wrong with using accurate and factual terms?... why do you Democrat insist on hyperbole?

    negotiations would have headed all of this off before it came to a shutdown.... Democrats, very publicly, said " hell no" to negotiating on anything at all..that is a matter of record.
    Democrats don't seem to share your belief that negotiations are acceptable... in fact ,they found them completely unacceptable in this particular case.
    as for "democratic elections",..well, i'm not sure what that is supposed to mean... everybody involved in this fight was democratically elected

    in any event, the GOP got nothing out of this, not even table scraps, and Democrats got their way.... that's just fact.
    that's the way it has gone for 5 years now....

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Do you mean that war machine that provides protection for the country?
    I mean the War Machine that profits from constant war. We've not been attacked since WWII, but we've attacked lots of pseudo threats and imagined enemies. The Military/Industrial/Corporate plutocracy has grown fat and corrupt. It's not about freedom and democracy. It's about profit, greed, resources and all wrapped up in a neat media package with buzzwords and slogans and simplicity but nothing real. Take a good look at Syria and see who's side we are on. Libya and Qaddafi, the best leader Africa ever could hope for. Haiti, another success story for cheap labor. Iraq and the distribution network for petroleum has filled its coffers. Business doesn't need to win wars, just keep the profits rolling so have your promotion department gin up nice wars for profits. Resource distribution. Energy use because wars run on energy. The first profits of war go to the Energy producers and if you acquire resources for their distribution network, they profit again and again and again.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If you believe Obamacare will be a failure, why are the Republicans trying so hard to end it now? Why wouldn't they just let it happen and pickup the pieces of the Democratic party? The Republicans are afraid Obamacare will be a huge success just like Medicare is now.
    Because it is so destructive to the American people.

    It is unconstitutional as are social security and Medicare. None of these programs are successes.

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    Re: So Who Won?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    we could only default if the President desired it..
    Well, no. It is far more complex than you seem to realize.
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