View Poll Results: Should Obamacare be eliminated?

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  • No, Obamacare is great and more important than everything else combined

    10 12.05%
  • Yes, dump the lemon before it causes more suffering.

    38 45.78%
  • No, but it needs MAJOR serious changes.

    7 8.43%
  • Yes, replace it with real universal health care.

    28 33.73%
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Thread: Do you support Obamacare?

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    Re: Do you support ObamaCare?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't have to buy into Obamacare. your comment is idiotic
    What, do they surgically remove your sense of humour when you join the Teabagger Party?
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    Re: Do you support ObamaCare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    What, do they surgically remove your sense of humour when you join the Teabagger Party?
    I am not a member of the TEA Party and I don't find much about Obama to be humorous. Cancerous is the more appropriate term



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    Re: Do you support Obamacare?

    Having insurance does NOT assure better medical care. That is another fraud in the sales pitch of Obamacare. Somehow, by having insurance, suddenly you get great medical care. In fact, it can cause inferior medical care because the economic incentive is NOT to get you well and out the door, but to rack up the billing.

    Here's an exact example. A very well known, popular and connected older fella here had a heart attack (clogged heart veins, not drop-dead type). He is not wealthy and has no insurance. The local hospital? It is ill equipped for heart surgery. Because of who he was and because he would only be an expense, they put him on a medevac helicopter, flew him to a hospital in Tampa with a unit specifically for heart surgery, and before the sun rose he had had triple bypass surgery, life saved, and home in 3 days.

    If he had insurance? It likely the local hospital would not have sent him right away. They could have billed his insurance tens of thousands of dollars for this and that totally incapable of adequate care for the small limitations of the local hospital, not transporting him for days, though ultimately having to anyway - if he had lived long enough and hoping permanent more heart-muscle death hadn't occurred.

    His lack of insurance minimized the heart attack damage, may have saved his life, and since ultimately he would have to be transported anyway (unless he died in the running-up-the-billing delays) cost less in medical costs. Lack of insurance meant the ill equipped hospital had disincentives to keep him for no insurance. But for who he was had him transported to avoid potential political issues.

    Insurance does not buy superior medical care nor an incentive for it. It provides an incentive for billing.
    Last edited by joko104; 10-15-13 at 11:52 PM.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
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    Regardless of your original view, do you support Obamacare now

    Many promises were made for legislation we couldn't know what it was until after it was passed. Everyone would be insured and have affordable medical care. The poor would have free insurance. Medical costs would go down as would insurance premiums. etc. etc.

    The reality?

    Insurance for the poor was cancelled after only 133,000 people.
    Insurance premiums have gone up from 20% to 100% for less coverage.
    High deductables make it so many people with such insurance still can not afford major medical care.
    Millions of employees have lost their employment insurance - something that could not happen prior to Obamacare.
    Millions of people have been laid off or reduced to part-time employees.
    An increasing number of doctors are refusing to accept insurance or retiring.
    The government faces long term shut down and gridlock.
    Congress had degraded to extreme militant partisanship.
    We are days away from massive national and worldwide economic collapse. Basically to destroy everything else, cause world chaos and probably millions worldwide starving to death - all to have Obamacare.
    To name a few "downsides" to Obamacare" - a title the President wants it to have.

    The Upsides as reason to keep Obamacare?
    Eliminating Obamacare would look bad for Obama
    and ???

    Seeing the unfolding real-life effects, do you support Obamacare? Or do you think it should be replaced with something else?

    Do you now support Obamacare?



    I support all legislation passed by a majority vote in congress, signed by the President of the USA and OKed by the U.S. Supreme Court.




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    Re: Do you support Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not support forcing companies or individuals to purchase insurance. The 30 million Americans who do not have insurance don't have it because they can't afford it.So most likely these 30 million people are going to be subsidized. Who is going to subsidize these 30 million people? Most likely those who already have insurance are going to be paying for those 30 million who originally did not have insurance, meaning their rates go up(which is probably somewhere in that two thousand plus page bill regarding the employer and individual mandates). I do support requiring insurance companies to accept preexisting medical conditions.

    I do NOT support insurance companies accepting pre-existing conditions UNLESS the premiums THAT person pays reflects the risks. Why should I pay double premiums or higher medical bills for the medical conditions of an old alcoholic?

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I support all legislation passed by a majority vote in congress, signed by the President of the USA and OKed by the U.S. Supreme Court.



    [B]"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers[/B]

    Historically that'd be rather easy to rip apart.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The liberal mantra is to DO SOMETHING even if its the worst possible course of action
    Some would say that the HC system what we have is the worst. It certainly is the most expensive and the results are mediocre at best.
    The Conservative mantra is nothing new is EVER better....unless it cuts my taxes. And then there's that "I got mine" mentality.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Some would say that the HC system what we have is the worst. The Conservative mantra is nothing new is better.
    its fine for those of us who actually bother to pay for what we get



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    Re: Do you support Obamacare?

    Who created these terrible poll choices? I either have to say I want Obamacare eliminated, that it has major issues, or that it's better than EVERYTHING else combined? I do not want Obamacare eliminated and it has minor issues.

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    Re: Do you support Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Historically that'd be rather easy to rip apart.



    Even with all of its faults, the GOP will not succeed in doing away with the Affordable Care Act.

    Wait and see.

    Like it or not, its here to stay for a while.

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