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Do you support Obamacare?

Should Obamacare be eliminated?


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I do NOT support insurance companies accepting pre-existing conditions UNLESS the premiums THAT person pays reflects the risks. Why should I pay double premiums or higher medical bills for the medical conditions of an old alcoholic?

Because some kind of public good is beneficial for everyone. Marginalized and forgotten people are dangerous.
 
I do NOT support insurance companies accepting pre-existing conditions UNLESS the premiums THAT person pays reflects the risks.
Why should I pay double premiums or higher medical bills for the medical conditions of an old alcoholic?




How about an old cancer survivor?
 
How about the Emergency Room conundrum TD??
Since I don't know, who gave us that law?
its fine for those of us who actually bother to pay for what we get
 
I do not support forcing companies or individuals to purchase insurance. The 30 million Americans who do not have insurance don't have it because they can't afford it.So most likely these 30 million people are going to be subsidized. Who is going to subsidize these 30 million people? Most likely those who already have insurance are going to be paying for those 30 million who originally did not have insurance, meaning their rates go up(which is probably somewhere in that two thousand plus page bill regarding the employer and individual mandates). I do support requiring insurance companies to accept preexisting medical conditions.

We are already subsidizing the system. The cost of "emergency room healthcare" for the uninsured currently costs more that $116B per year (2009). Having the uninsured's point of access to the healthcare system be the emergency room is extremely expensive and very inefficient. The average family insurance premiums include $1,017 (2009) per year to cover this cost. The federal government, through medicaid and medicare, picks up the rest.

http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload...uld-full-coverage-add-to-medical-spending.pdf
Unpaid care hikes private insurance premiums by billions - amednews.com


The idea behind PPACA is to take the $3,000 per year (in your insurance premium plus the government pick-up) you are already paying to cover the uninsured and using that money more wisely by shifting the uninsured access to healthcare away from "after the fact" emergency room care to preventative healthcare. This is concept is the reason the PPACA makes sense.
 
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I paid for mine-why don't you do the same rather than making me pay for yours as well

In other words I got mine so I don't want anything to mess with it. Even if it is going to be better for you also in the long run. We have to shake up the system a bit. Even you must realize it needs to change. We can't keep paying double what other nations do for the same or worse outcomes.
 
Even with all of its faults, the GOP will not succeed in doing away with the Affordable Care Act.

Wait and see.

Like it or not, its here to stay for a while.

That, of course, is totally non-responsive.

History also proves that NOTHING is "here to stay." But you are correct that the political power of the drug industry, corporate America, and the insurance industry is massive. So I agree that universal healthcare and healthcare reform has again been blocked - this time by Obamacare - probably for years, decades and maybe indefinitely.
 
In other words I got mine so I don't want anything to mess with it. Even if it is going to be better for you also in the long run. We have to shake up the system a bit. Even you must realize it needs to change. We can't keep paying double what other nations do for the same or worse outcomes.

why do I have a duty to not only pay for my family's insurance but that of the irresponsible?

if government subsidizes things as they do in other countries, the cost is not properly taken into account
 
In other words I got mine so I don't want anything to mess with it. Even if it is going to be better for you also in the long run. We have to shake up the system a bit. Even you must realize it needs to change. We can't keep paying double what other nations do for the same or worse outcomes.

It would seem any agree with you that we really should pay 4 times as much for half as much as now.
 
Re: Do you support ObamaCare?

What, do they surgically remove your sense of humour when you join the Teabagger Party?

Is it that you hate the previous American generations? Or that you hate everyone who doesn't agree with you?
 
It would seem any agree with you that we really should pay 4 times as much for half as much as now.

It anything even approaching that happens because of the AHC act you should jump for joy because it will be repealed. But it won't and you will eat crow for the rest of your life, especially if you get sick.
 
Re: Do you support ObamaCare?

Is it that you hate the previous American generations? Or that you hate everyone who doesn't agree with you?

??????
 
It anything even approaching that happens because of the AHC act you should jump for joy because it will be repealed. But it won't and you will eat crow for the rest of your life, especially if you get sick.

^ A pointless message. :roll:

There is NOTHING in Obamacare that reduces total medical care costs. It shifts indigent and employee medical care costs from wealthy property owners, corporations and the government, to working people and seniors' retirements. What in Obamacare reduces total medical costs?
 
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The Tea Party is old folks who like their country as it was. Using an obscene smear against them means either you hate old folks or just hate people who disagree with you.
 
Because some kind of public good is beneficial for everyone. Marginalized and forgotten people are dangerous.

SO what you are saying is you personally give money to every beggar at every corner to make them safer, right?
 
Re: Do you support ObamaCare?

The Tea Party is old folks who like their country as it was. Using an obscene smear against them means either you hate old folks or just hate people who disagree with you.

Remember any Latin from parochial school? Non sequitur.
 
^ A pointless message. :roll:

There is NOTHING in Obamacare that reduces total medical care costs. It shifts indigent and employee medical care costs from wealthy property owners, corporations and the government, to working people and seniors' retirements. What in Obamacare reduces total medical costs?

Millions of dollars in overpaid premiums have already been refunded to customers because of the AHC act and is limit 15% overhead for insurers.
Drug companies have agreed to price reductions amounting to $800 billion in Medicare and Medicaid savings over 10 years
These are 2 but there are many more cost limiting measures. The AHC act was not written primarily for cost control though. It was written to enable 25 million Americans without insurance a chance to purchase it at a price they can afford. I know that is what you hate....you already have insurance don't you?
 
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Millions of dollars in overpaid premiums have already been refunded to customers because of the AHC act and its 15% limit on "overhead" for insurers. No more keeping 25% or more of premiums just for cutting some checks.
Drug companies have agreed to price reductions amounting to $800 billion in Medicare and Medicaid savings over 10 years
These are 2 but there are many more cost limiting measures. The AHC act was not written primarily for cost control though. It was written to enable 25 million Americans without insurance a chance to purchase it at a price they can afford. I know that is what you hate....you already have insurance don't you?

Prove what you claim.

No, we do not have insurance. Don't plan to get it. We prefer the best medical care, not gambling large sums of $$ mostly to pay for other people as we seeking the potential of some day waiting in line for inferior medical care paid for by an insurance company. We are none so foolish as to think we can get something for nothing or come out money ahead by paying for the 90% of medical costs of other people.

Besides, why get it now anyway? Why not wait until one of us needs it and then use we can't be turned down for a pre-existing condition?
 
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Re: Do you support ObamaCare?

Remember any Latin from parochial school? Non sequitur.

Naw, you understood exactly what I posted.
 
Prove what you claim.

No, we do not have insurance. Don't plan to get it. We prefer the best medical care, not gambling large sums of $$ mostly to pay for other people as we seeking the potential of some day waiting in line for inferior medical care paid for by an insurance company. We are none so foolish as to think we can get something for nothing or come out money ahead by paying for the 90% of medical costs of other people.

Besides, why get it now anyway? Why not wait until one of us needs it and then use we can't be turned down for a pre-existing condition?

Why not get insurance now that you can and stop gambling that you won't be bankrupted by some accident. It is childish to think that you are immune from harm.
At least find out what you can qualify for at your income level before you ride bareback thru life.
 
I don't know. It hasn't been implemented yet. Ask me in about 5 years I'll let you know.

vasuderatorrent

So you support everything and then will just see how it goes.
 
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